Gopackgonerd Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 hours ago, CWood21 said: Goes back to controlling what you can control. If the QB misses the WR by 5+ yards, you're going to talk about a bad throw from the QB. If the QB throws the ball and it hits the WRs hands, it's going to be dinged against the WR regardless of whether or not the throws were accurate. That's why I asked for some videos of his drops. Not just the number. All drops aren't the same. Posted these in another thread, but I scoured for all the drops he had throughout the past year(or close enough to a drop) and a lot of them aren't even egregious except maybe the second clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYldcvEaH0&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAw-bB1wvEg&t=161s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6gYD9MoeM&t=169s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HslntLUvy-o&t=4429s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6LesJgm28&t=1766s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6LesJgm28&t=5154s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 hours ago, R T said: Game Changing Play of the Week: Aaron Rodgers Misses Wide Open Receivers on Back to Back Plays (cheeseheadtv.com) He was clearly throwing to a spot… it’s Cobb and MVS job to get to that spot, so WRs fault? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 5 hours ago, R T said: I think you are over thinking this one. If you ask any NFL WR, he will tell you that if he can get a hand on it, he should catch it. They are professionals and they should catch every ball they can get their hands on. Fairly black and white for grading a drop. Tough catches are why they get paid for it. Disagree. A huge number of touched passes are uncaught. And the number of super hard ones varies from receiver to receiver. mlb doesn’t mark every smash that an infielder doesn’t handle as an error. If it would require extraordinary defense to make it, it goes on highlights. nfl games show commercials with extraordinary catches, and show probability percents. A successful 5% probability catch goes on highlights, but if 95% of guys are getting dinged with drops, I’m not sure how meaningful the stat is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, craig said: Disagree. A huge number of touched passes are uncaught. And the number of super hard ones varies from receiver to receiver. mlb doesn’t mark every smash that an infielder doesn’t handle as an error. If it would require extraordinary defense to make it, it goes on highlights. nfl games show commercials with extraordinary catches, and show probability percents. A successful 5% probability catch goes on highlights, but if 95% of guys are getting dinged with drops, I’m not sure how meaningful the stat is. Because they are all dinged equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Green19 said: He was clearly throwing to a spot… it’s Cobb and MVS job to get to that spot, so WRs fault? Lol, OK debate team captain. However you want to look at it makes no difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, R T said: Lol, OK debate team captain. However you want to look at it makes no difference to me. Haha… you realize that this is all sarcasm right? I thought the whole prove Rodgers is a human and it’s science line we’re dead give always. Dude screws up a ton. Been on this board saying the issue with GB losing in the playoffs is Rodgers. Like sure some games are totally on the defense etc. but overall Rodgers and the offense hasnt been good enough. And the offense for many years has been Rodgers and fair or not he takes all the blame because of his cap hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Agree that the "Rodgers is always accurate" is baloney. No QB is. There are a lot of passes that he throws where: a well-spotted pass would be catchable, but he places it in a spot that is not catchable. A well-spotted pass would be more easily catchable, but he places it in a spot that makes it a difficult catch, leading to an increased frequency of drops. A well-spotted pass that leads the receiver could result in a big play or some significant YAC, but the throw is awkwardly behind the receiver or down below the knees where the receiver is highly challenged to catch it; but even if he does, he's in no position to YAC it for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 7 hours ago, Green19 said: To be fair though Gb has like the most accurate QB in league history so he isn’t likely missing throws… WRs are more likely running bad routes. that’s just science… I don't know how I could have made it more obvious that was bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 6 hours ago, mikemike778 said: I guess the answer is If a receiver drops a pass you know its a drop. Whether its difficult or easy or whatever, you can see the ball went to him and he didn't catch it. With the pass, you just don't know whether its the receiver not running his route or Rodgers just messing up. Rodgers is extremely accurate and doesn't usually miss by much - plus he is very much a timing QB expecting a WR to be where they are (hence the whole trust thing) so if he misses by 5 yards there is a good chance the WR has messed up his route. As we don't know he will get the benefit of the doubt from a lot of people. But yeah Rodgers will get away with plenty that he just missed that get chalked up as a bad route. It goes the other way as well - plenty of fans will, if in doubt blame Rodgers. I'm sure there are plenty of passes gone wrong which you guys will have naturally blamed Rodgers that were the receiver's fault. When its unclear, the pro Rodgers fans will probably blame the WR, the anti-Rodgers fans will blame Rodgers. See above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 22 hours ago, Packerraymond said: We signed Campbell on June 9th last year. I imagine we'll look at the roster in full next week at mandatory minicamp and make any vet additions we want before camp in the days following. At least that's what I'm telling myself because this time of the year is so boring that I need to make news in my head. Join us in the 2019 draft grade thread, where a very spirited debate is going on over whether it deserves an A or a B grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R T Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sandy said: Join us in the 2019 draft grade thread, where a very spirited debate is going on over whether it deserves an A or a B grade. That is not a spirited debate, that is brain damaging insanity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandy said: Join us in the 2019 draft grade thread, where a very spirited debate is going on over whether it deserves an A or a B grade. Just wait til next year’s 2020 evaluations. This is but light banter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2012 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 20 hours ago, Gopackgonerd said: Posted these in another thread, but I scoured for all the drops he had throughout the past year(or close enough to a drop) and a lot of them aren't even egregious except maybe the second clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYldcvEaH0&t=45s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAw-bB1wvEg&t=161s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6gYD9MoeM&t=169s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HslntLUvy-o&t=4429s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6LesJgm28&t=1766s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6LesJgm28&t=5154s None of the clips are just bad drops. High throws, low throws, off line throws. S couple could have been caught but if this is your proof Watson has bad hands then you failed., We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, gizmo2012 said: None of the clips are just bad drops. High throws, low throws, off line throws. S couple could have been caught but if this is your proof Watson has bad hands then you failed., We will see. Watson needs to come down with the second one. That is a throw that is made in the NFL all the time, and it really needs to be a catch. And the last one was pretty frustrating, but that happens to everyone. Just a bit overthrown or a slight misjudgment by the WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Green19 said: He was clearly throwing to a spot… it’s Cobb and MVS job to get to that spot, so WRs fault? I would say that Rodgers 100% missed Cobb on the first throw. And that MVS "target" was a throw away. That is a big factor to MVS having a low catch percentage, just quite a few thrown in his direction that really are not likely to be caught by anyone. And recall that these were also 2018 Rodgers clips. I don't want to say he was sandbagging it, but he clearly was not the same as he had been in years prior, or the following years, despite the gaudy TD:INT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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