Broncofan Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: There would be no grounds for it to go to arbitration in the first place. Arbitration is typically something stipulated in a contract agreement ahead of time wherein two entities would have clear reason not to trust that each other would suspend bias in a decision-making, thus they have a prior-agreed-upon option to demand an independent third-party be brought in, and mutually-agree to abide by the decision of the third-party. The owners aren't unionized and neither is the NFL as a corporation, so there's no instance where arbitration would be conceived of as necessary. This is more a case of, if you're going to screw over your business partners, don't be stupid enough to get caught... and if you get caught, don't be even more stupid as to leave a verifiable trail of evidence as to your guilt. Fair, just substitute arbitrator for ombusdman/overseer. If this was an independently run review, there would very likely have been a different conclusion. I get it's probably baked in the tampering penalty as well, just pretty disingenuous all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: I think the only solace was the Vegas had a pretty good read on what the Dolphins were doing and, if I recall, was hedging their odds/payouts pretty heavily in their own favor where game-to-game bets on Miami was concerned from about Week 8 on that season. Which is a bummer. If an owner's going to cheat I'd at least like to see a casino or two go under as a result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Just now, Broncofan said: Fair, just substitute arbitrator for ombusdman/overseer. If this was an independently run review, there would very likely have been a different conclusion. I get it's probably baked in the tampering penalty as well, just pretty disingenuous all around. Or fake audit for real audit. They don't need multiple layers of review, they just need one they aren't force-feeding conclusions to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Legit orgs and owners always joke around about paying $100k per game to coaches for tanking. Hahaha, that is so funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, childofpudding said: Legit orgs and owners always joke around about paying $100k per game to coaches for tanking. Hahaha, that is so funny! "Actually, the $100k was in reference for the $100k water tank used as home the team's dolphin mascot," said an unnamed team intern. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofos Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Apparition said: Why would anything happen to him? The NFL's tampering rules only work in one direction. And for good reason. If anything, the Patriots and Bucs are the ones getting screwed over here, receiving no compensation when their player was tampered with. So how focused was Tom on the Patriot's games when tampering was going on during the season and post season. Both soliciting prostitution and prostitution are illegal most places including Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, jofos said: So how focused was Tom on the Patriot's games when tampering was going on during the season and post season. Both soliciting prostitution and prostitution are illegal most places including Miami. I think the results speak for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Guy literally tanks his team on purpose and gets a few games for doing the one thing that'd make them good lol. But yeah no this is like 5% about the Brady stuff and 95% Flores/tanking accusations which... ******* take the team from him then (they can't because they know damn near every other owner does the same stuff). My issue with is that why is this such a big deal? Teams deliberately tank in other sports leagues all the time. Why is it so egregious when a NFL team does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I know how to get away with murder now Yes I did offer that guy money to kill Bob, but it was never intended to be taken as a serious offer so Imma go home now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp0k2 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: I know how to get away with murder now Yes I did offer that guy money to kill Bob, but it was never intended to be taken as a serious offer so Imma go home now. Might work, if you're a billionaire. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BroncoSojia said: My issue with is that why is this such a big deal? Teams deliberately tank in other sports leagues all the time. Why is it so egregious when a NFL team does it? The dirty secret - deliberate tanking affects perception of fairness in gambling. And let's be clear, it works both ways. In baseball, Pete Rose was caught gambling on only some games (always for his Reds to win) - but the point being that maybe he tried harder to win on those games, and wasn't in as good of shape for others (by using the bullpen, resting starters on the non-gambled games, etc.). And the key part - this affects the perception that gambling, you're going in with a fair chance. If you tank by how you roster your team, etc - that's quantifiable. In-game, if you deliberately try to lose, harder to quantify - and it creates the perception it wasn't a fair attempt. And remember that while owners & GM's might throw in the towel - players & coaches almost never do - because their jobs are on the line, and they don't care about next year. For a player/HC to try to lose is really not a good look at all - look at the fallout from Philly doing it week 17 by subbing out into their backup QB (the ironic part is losing certainly helped them acquire more picks by amplified trade effects, too). Ultimately, everything about integrity of the game now comes down to gambling, because the gambling popularity is why the sport's popularity has exploded - and that's why the league gets all that sweet TV & online revenue. We're not the crowd that's affected - we're in no matter what. But I'd guess >50+ percent of ppl who watch football for their non-home teams nowadays are either watching with fantasy/gambling skin in the game. I say that as someone who posts ad nauseum in the Gambling thread (diehard Broncos fan obv even if there wasn't gambling - but a SNF game between Philly & Dallas for the umpteenth time - having props / plays makes it 100x more watchable), so I'm quite self-aware lol. Edited August 2, 2022 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BroncoSojia said: My issue with is that why is this such a big deal? Teams deliberately tank in other sports leagues all the time. Why is it so egregious when a NFL team does it? There's a difference in ripping the team apart to lose games organically and literally paying a guy money to rig outcomes. One is still reliant on the random variance of outcomes, the other is quite literally sports fixing and is racketeering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, BroncoSojia said: My issue with is that why is this such a big deal? Teams deliberately tank in other sports leagues all the time. Why is it so egregious when a NFL team does it? Franchises might strategically "tank", but an owner actually offering money as an incentive to lose is an entirely different ballgame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Calvin Ridley bets on his team and is suspended a year because muh competitive integrity, but an owner actively running a tanking operation for years and gets a partial season suspension? This stupid *** league. 1.5 million Ross probably doesn't even know how to spend so little. apart from tanking 15 games 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Franchises might strategically "tank", but an owner actually offering money as an incentive to lose is an entirely different ballgame. thats the key- assaults' and misconduct and weed are about taste, intentionally losing games via bribes or gambling on the game breaks its integrity. It removes the suspended disbelief in a sense or the 'jumping of the shark' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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