Leader Posted November 22, 2022 Author Share Posted November 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: They're doing some throwing in the AFC East. That's true. I havent noticed Diggs in there. Looked more at what MIA's up to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Quote The NFLPA has filed a grievance, claiming the NFL and its teams have colluded against its players' pursuit of fully guaranteed deals, sources confirmed to ESPN on Tuesday. A third-party arbitrator is expected to hear the grievance, which the union filed "in recent weeks," a source told ESPN. The Athletic first reported that NFL general counsel Jeff Pash sent a memo to NFL teams on Oct. 20 notifying of the union's claim that teams planned to prevent the use of fully guaranteed contracts for "certain quarterbacks" in light of Deshaun Watson's five-year, $230 million fully guaranteed deal with the Cleveland Browns. The NFLPA contends, according to the report's recounting of the Pash memo, that owners agreed not to give out large-scale, fully guaranteed deals at an August meeting. So what happens if they win the grievance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Brat&Beer said: So what happens if they win the grievance? hopefully nfl players all get fully gtd deals. But the NFLPA pretty much can't win these grievances with the way the NFL is structured. Soon enough, more owners will crack and more players will get fully gtd deals. Kirk cousins got one a few contracts ago, but he had to give up years and price/year in exchange. Watson seemed to give up nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Fully guaranteed deals, you mean like MLB has? Terrible idea, but if that's what owners are willing to do then it's on them. In no way should the NFL or any other entity mandate such a farce. The one thing the NFL has in place that MLB doesn't is a hard top side cap, that would mitigate the damage to some extent. Again, it comes down to how dumb do these owners want to get. Earn what you make, eat what you kill. That's the way it is in most of the real world, these entertainers should expect no different. What the teams and players do now regarding up front money is all the guarantee these movie stars need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefj85 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Fully guaranteed deals are a terrible line to cross. That’s the biggest thing wrong with the NBA. I still remember the Bucks having to buy Larry Sanders out of his contract after he was suspended for violating drug test policy multiple times. A settlement was the only way off the hook for the full amount. It was nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 14 hours ago, 15412 said: Fully guaranteed deals, you mean like MLB has? Terrible idea, but if that's what owners are willing to do then it's on them. In no way should the NFL or any other entity mandate such a farce. The one thing the NFL has in place that MLB doesn't is a hard top side cap, that would mitigate the damage to some extent. Again, it comes down to how dumb do these owners want to get. Earn what you make, eat what you kill. That's the way it is in most of the real world, these entertainers should expect no different. What the teams and players do now regarding up front money is all the guarantee these movie stars need. resentful and insecure much? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: resentful and insecure much? Ignorant and sound asleep woke much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, skibrett15 said: resentful and insecure much? Watch out, he kills his own meals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 17 hours ago, Brat&Beer said: So what happens if they win the grievance? They'd probably get a huge settlement. But the problem is unless the owners are borderline stupid, it's going to be really, really hard to prove this. Kirk Cousins was the first fully-guaranteed QB contract handed out. Deshaun Watson was #2 IIRC. Kirk Cousins signed a 3 year, $84M ($28M/year) deal with Minnesota back in 2018. Four years later, Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230M ($46M/year). That deal gave Watson the 4th highest AAV amongst QBs. Kyler Murray signed a 4 year, $230.5M ($46.1M/year) this past offseason. Clearly, the intention was to get more money per year than Watson. Murray got 82% of his contract guaranteed. And that's despite Murray being a clearly inferior QB to Watson. If you want a bigger percentage of guaranteed contracts, sign a lower AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 RIP the Zach Wilson era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Striker said: RIP the Zach Wilson era? Naw. Just a humbling moment that he probably needs. He's going to be their QB...just needs to grow up. You'd think he'd have that down with his cougar trophies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, Striker said: RIP the Zach Wilson era? At some point, they'll go back to Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 This is why Momeyball doesn’t work in football. Personality traits and leadership at the QB position are so important they’re next to tangible. It’s why I toad a so about Rosen. Chad Pennington is better for a franchise than Zach Wilson. You can have all the physical talent in the world and you can even be pretty decent at the football IQ aspect, but if you’re some PAB lacking in humility you’re not making it at many positions except for WR, and you’re certainly not making it at QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, CWood21 said: At some point, they'll go back to Wilson. Yeah, I expect Saleh benched Wilson as much for his lack of maturity and self-accountability as for his on field performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 hours ago, skibrett15 said: hopefully nfl players all get fully gtd deals. But the NFLPA pretty much can't win these grievances with the way the NFL is structured. Soon enough, more owners will crack and more players will get fully gtd deals. Kirk cousins got one a few contracts ago, but he had to give up years and price/year in exchange. Watson seemed to give up nothing. Taking the owners to court over guaranteed contracts is nothing more than grandstanding by the NFLPA. We'd see more NFL players with fully guaranteed deals if the players weren't trying to max out their AAV on the same contract. If a player wants a fully guaranteed contract, I expect they could get it by sacrificing 10-15% of the AAV. Once the market for guaranteed contracts is set, the benchmarks will steadily rise, just like they have always done for the partially guaranteed deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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