SemperFeist Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, VikeManDan said: At what point do we start talking pay cut vs restructure for some of these guys? Can't keep kicking the proverbial can down the road so to speak. Depends entirely on who you’re talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, VikeManDan said: Always depends on the board my friend! As far as I'm concerned we can include Hock in the 2023 draft class, we just got him a little early! I was insuating we'll be picking 32nd😁 and yeah, Hock for a 2nd was genius! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 hours ago, VikeManDan said: At what point do we start talking pay cut vs restructure for some of these guys? Can't keep kicking the proverbial can down the road so to speak. Have to look at whether is worth what they are making and the team needs more cap room to pay it or whether a player is not worth what they'll earn. If they are worth it, you restructure to gain cap space. If they are not, you cut their pay or release them if they are unwilling to agree to the pay cut. Beyond cutting pay or a simple restructure, a good tool to save cap space for younger guys that the team wants to keep around is to offer them a contract extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 hours ago, swede700 said: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Cannot pay Cook next year at his current salary. I'd say trade him, but it'd be awfully hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, JDBrocks said: Cannot pay Cook next year at his current salary. I'd say trade him, but it'd be awfully hard. I thought Cook was good. What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 52 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: I thought Cook was good. What happened? His bulk stats are good, but losing Darrisaw and especially Bradbury hurt him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, JDBrocks said: Cannot pay Cook next year at his current salary. I'd say trade him, but it'd be awfully hard. That is putrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Cut worthy to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, CriminalMind said: Cut worthy to be honest No it’s not. RYOE uses way too many outside factors to use it as a benchmark for running backs themselves. This is more of an indictment on the run blocking (mainly from Darrisaw’s and Bradbury’s absences) and the design of the running game, than it is an indictment on the running back. If Mattison, Nwangwu, Chandler, etc were out performing Cook while running behind the same o-line, in the same circumstances, then you’d likely be able to point at Cook. But the fact that Cook has significantly out performed the other running backs on the team clearly points to other factors being a problem. Edited January 12, 2023 by SemperFeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: No it’s not. RYOE uses way too many outside factors to use it as a benchmark for running backs themselves. This is more of an indictment on the run blocking (mainly from Darrisaw’s and Bradbury’s absences) and the design of the running game, than it is an indictment on the running back. If Mattison, Nwangwu, Chandler, etc were out performing Cook while running behind the same o-line, in the same circumstances, then you’d likely be able to point at Cook. But the fact that Cook has significantly out performed the other running backs on the team clearly points to other factors being a problem. I agree. The run blocking scheme needs to vastly improved over the offseason. I don't know if it's that Curtis Modkins' fault (the RB coach/run game coordinator) or Kuper (the OL coach), but something will need to change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrynoid Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 10:31 PM, ArcticNorseman said: I was insuating we'll be picking 32nd😁 and yeah, Hock for a 2nd was genius! Didn't Miami forfeit their 1st round pick because of tampering? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, perrynoid said: Didn't Miami forfeit their 1st round pick because of tampering? Yep...the SB winner (us) will have the 31st pick...although technically I think they still say it's #32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 hours ago, SemperFeist said: No it’s not. RYOE uses way too many outside factors to use it as a benchmark for running backs themselves. This is more of an indictment on the run blocking (mainly from Darrisaw’s and Bradbury’s absences) and the design of the running game, than it is an indictment on the running back. If Mattison, Nwangwu, Chandler, etc were out performing Cook while running behind the same o-line, in the same circumstances, then you’d likely be able to point at Cook. But the fact that Cook has significantly out performed the other running backs on the team clearly points to other factors being a problem. I dont necessarily agree. If Cook is a star player (and paid as such), he should be able to produce regardless of the absences from Darrisaw and Bradbury. If he 'struggles' when those pieces are not available, he really is not in that 'star' category IMO, and I argue we could get better value ($/play) from others on the roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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