Xmad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, PapaShogun said: Harbaugh should not have been fired after the 2014 season. This is the correct opinion. Also somewhat related, Colin Kaepernick was a good QB people retroactively decided wasn't good because he became a bit of a media drag like tebow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, SwoleXmad said: This is the correct opinion. Also somewhat related, Colin Kaepernick was a good QB people retroactively decided wasn't good because he became a bit of a media drag like tebow. His last real meaningful game was the NFCCG where he had 4 turnovers. He was given the job over an Alex Smith who was like 24 for his last 27 before he got a minor injury. They gave him a big contract and wanted him to succeed. Once his team was not way better than most teams that he played against every week then he fell apart as a QB. No one retroactively made him date Aldon Smith's ex-girlfriend. (that's leadership!) No one retroactively made him throw for like 4 yards in Chicago. No one retroactively made him go 4-20 in his last 24 starts. Chip Kelly's offense would seem to have been perfect for him yet he was a complete failure. No one really thinks 16 TDs and 4 picks in 11 games while throwing for 187 yards a game and leading the 27th ranked scoring offense is actually a good thing. Two different NFL coaching staffs decided that Blaine Gabbert was the better option. No one can deny that he had some fantastic games like the 2 playoff games against Green Bay but he had his time and he was done. His time on top lasted a whole 28 games. Its not like he had sustained greatness and 3 years as a bum was just a blip. It was clear and obvious that Kaepernick was done as a high paid NFL QB. Its also pretty clear that he prefers to be a high paid victim instead of a low paid backup NFL QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, SkippyX said: His last real meaningful game was the NFCCG where he had 4 turnovers. He was given the job over an Alex Smith who was like 24 for his last 27 before he got a minor injury. They gave him a big contract and wanted him to succeed. Once his team was not way better than most teams that he played against every week then he fell apart as a QB. No one retroactively made him date Aldon Smith's ex-girlfriend. (that's leadership!) No one retroactively made him throw for like 4 yards in Chicago. No one retroactively made him go 4-20 in his last 24 starts. Chip Kelly's offense would seem to have been perfect for him yet he was a complete failure. No one really thinks 16 TDs and 4 picks in 11 games while throwing for 187 yards a game and leading the 27th ranked scoring offense is actually a good thing. Two different NFL coaching staffs decided that Blaine Gabbert was the better option. No one can deny that he had some fantastic games like the 2 playoff games against Green Bay but he had his time and he was done. His time on top lasted a whole 28 games. Its not like he had sustained greatness and 3 years as a bum was just a blip. It was clear and obvious that Kaepernick was done as a high paid NFL QB. Its also pretty clear that he prefers to be a high paid victim instead of a low paid backup NFL QB. Tell me how Nick Foles is any different save for the media coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKS97 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Ty Law has no business being in the hall of fame 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 A lot of these I have agreed with. Champ Bailey is the best CB to ever play the game. The tuck rule is a stupid rule. If the ball doesn’t travel forward because it’s being tucked down and a defender strips it, that should be a fumble. Aaron Rodgers is not a top ten QB of all time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolts223 Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, CKS97 said: Ty Law has no business being in the hall of fame I’m curious to hear your reasoning on this one. To me he was a no brainer. 5x pro-bowler, 2x first team all-pro, long career of generally very good play, was one of the original leaders that helped build the Patriots dynasty, had the iconic pick 6 off of Warner in SB 36, and what him and the rest of the Pats secondary did to the Colts offense in the 03 AFC Championship game is largely thought to be a big reason why the rule changes came the next season. I think he fits the bill of what we should look for in a HOFer to a tee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Tim Couch and Courtney Brown wouldnt of been busts if the organization wasnt terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Andy Reid sucks as a postseason coach. In Philly, Jim Johnson's defense was the primary reason for playoff success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Steve Young was a better QB than Joe Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 If the Chiefs invested the draft picks they used on Mahomes to build the rest of their roster, Smith could have had a better season in 2018 than 2017 and been in a situation where he could potentially win MVP and have the entire perception of his career changed. Depending on who they draft in 2017 he might be able to win MVP that year too, and with Hill/Kelce/Watkins Jr. he would be in a position today to have a few more elite statistical seasons and playoff appearances to make a HoF push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navysaintsfan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Boltstrikes said: Aaron Rodgers is not a top ten QB of all time. I agree with you so much here. I think he is one of the most physically gifted QBs I have ever seen. But his overall game is insanely overrated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, patriotsheatyan said: If the Chiefs invested the draft picks they used on Mahomes to build the rest of their roster, Smith could have had a better season in 2018 than 2017 and been in a situation where he could potentially win MVP and have the entire perception of his career changed. Depending on who they draft in 2017 he might be able to win MVP that year too, and with Hill/Kelce/Watkins Jr. he would be in a position today to have a few more elite statistical seasons and playoff appearances to make a HoF push. That’s one heck of a hill to die on. This one takes the cake. For me it’s that Eli Manning did more with less in 2011 than any other Super Bowl winning quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 DK Metcalf will bust, and was never actually a good prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 hours ago, SkippyX said: Take Alex Smith for example. He out-dueled Drew Brees in a shootout. He lost the Kyle Williams double fumble game. He lost a 45-44 game where his team melted with injuries. He lost to Tennessee 21-20 when Kelce got concussed and the ref fixed the game by calling a pair of Mariota fumbles as forward progress. That ref 'decided to retire' in the offseason Someone could look at his 2-5 playoff record and say "He Sucks!" I look at his 14 TDs and 2 picks and think hes played very well and had some really awful luck. See I don’t like the whole “QB vs QB” thing some people do, as if it were a tennis match. Alex Smith very arguably played a better game than Brees, but there’s a big difference between playing against the Saints very mediocre at best defense and the best defense in the league. If you were to swap defenses, the Saints probably win that game 48-10. Just another example of how football is very much a team game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Oohh, I just thought of a good one. The Combine is actually a very useful tool for evaluating prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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