LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: If McCarthy and Rivera are being discussed then why not? Marvin Lewis is on that same level. I actually think he’s severely underrated. He overstayed his welcome in cinci but I don’t think many other coaches could have won as many games that he did with those rosters. He won 6 games last year with a team that’s won 1 this year. Eh, some of those years they had some pretty nice rosters and he never won a playoff game. He’s underrated I agree, but not so much I think he gets a look here. Also I can’t see him wanting to work here after Hue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Eh, some of those years they had some pretty nice rosters and he never won a playoff game. He’s underrated I agree, but not so much I think he gets a look here. Also I can’t see him wanting to work here after Hue. Give him cam newton or Aaron Rodgers and I guarantee he wins some playoff games. Give McCarthy and Rivera dalton and see what happens. He did more with less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Give him cam newton or Aaron Rodgers and I guarantee he wins some playoff games. Give McCarthy and Rivera dalton and see what happens. He did more with less. That’s fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) FFS no McCarthy. He squandered the best years of Rodgers and seemed happy with his buddy Capers running a defense that was incredibly frustrating to watch. Unless y'all think it was because of Thompson? Source: Tayne watched pretty much every Packer game when it didn't overlap the game time during that period. There was so much wrong around Rodgers. The run game never looked credible--was masked by how much Rodgers scared defenses. Just look at the team now without even going hard at the offensive line yet. Edited December 25, 2019 by NudeTayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) Would rather see if Freddie can clean things up next season--really don't wanna--than know we'd be giving McCarthy too much power, a 5/$40 mil or something that we will be paying off after he is fired by year 3. No. It was the perfect storm lucking into Rodgers from Favre. No. Edited December 26, 2019 by NudeTayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Just say no to McCarthy. Retread. We need more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 14 hours ago, bruceb said: Just say no to McCarthy. Retread. We need more. Retread? Belichick... Shanahan... Carroll... Dungy... Reid... Coughlin.... Vermeil.... Yeah, no point in hiring a retread 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 As much as I’m on the “Riverboat Ron or bust” train, give me the guy who is able to transform Baker and our offense going forward in the immediate future. I want a QB guru and offensive wizard. Defensively, give me someone who actually utilizes our personnel and schemes to our strengths. We are going to have major holes at the safety positions and depth issues on the DL, but this soft zone and sit back on our heels non attacking defensive scheme can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I want a QB guru and offensive wizard. There aren’t very many McVays/Paytons out there though. At this point, I think the best bet is to hire a good head coach that can build a good locker room culture and do adequate in-game and really prioritize the hires at OC/QB coach to transform the offense/QB. I don’t want to fall into the trap of just hiring an offensive guy to be our head coach, because I think this team has lots of issues in general. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, NateDawg said: There aren’t very many McVays/Paytons out there though. At this point, I think the best bet is to hire a good head coach that can build a good locker room culture and do adequate in-game and really prioritize the hires at OC/QB coach to transform the offense/QB. I don’t want to fall into the trap of just hiring an offensive guy to be our head coach, because I think this team has lots of issues in general. If you hire Ron or even McCarthy, you can have a proven QB builder. Plus I don’t believe in McVay to the point that everyone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: I want a QB guru and offensive wizard. Sure. But you Hire them as QB Coach and/or OC --OR-- as a QB Coach with OC Responsibilities. A QB guru and offensive wizard does not make a good or great Head Coach. The utmost qualification for Head Coach is ability to implement and create a a winning football systematic program/culture, as well as their ability to hire similarly qualified assistant coaches. We have to break the Hot QB guru/good OC hire for HC cycle of madness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Give me Rivera. Dude would change the culture around that dumpster with quickness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) The problem with Rivera that is likely going to hurt him this off-season is that he's known to be a very isolated head coach not maintaining far reaching and/or close ties with other current and former head/assistant coaches or even mentors. That may hurt him when it comes to the type/quality of assistant coaching staffs he proposes to GMs and Owners. His assistant lists doesn't have a great deal of depth and/or sampling of various coaching trees or coaches thought to be adapted to/updated with current NFL trends. The assistant coaching staff is everything a lot of times for owners as it tells them what their organization could look like in a few years via potential elevation of successors to assistant positions, firings of particular staff members, and/or coaches leaving for bigger roles elsewhere. Often times when HC candidates are close in the hiring teams mind, the coach that wins is the one with the "best" assistants and support staff plans.. Edited December 27, 2019 by Mind Character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) The associated/potential OC, QB Coach, and Defensive Coordinator are critical elements of a future HC hire. In the spirit of discussing future coaching hires for the Browns, Who's the best combo staff based on who's reported to be their key assistants? 1.) HC: Ron Rivera; OC: Norv Turner/Scott Turner; QB Coach: Scott Turner; DC: Steve Wilks 2.) HC: Mike McCarthy; OC/QBC: Frank Cignetti Jr.; DC: Jim Haslett 3.) HC: Dan Campbell; OC/QBC: Joe Lombardi; DC: Mike Nolan 4.) HC: Kevin Stefanski; AHC: Brad Childress; OC: Kevin Stefanski; QB Coach: Bill Musgrave ; DC: Leslie Frazier Whenever we think of names for HC, it's important to think about who's coming with them as principal members of the staff. When taken together as a staff, it honestly looks different imo. Edited December 27, 2019 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Give me A. Norv probably won’t come back a second time but that’s who I’d take. he was good with us I’d be glad to have him back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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