Forge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, NinerNation21 said: Interesting. I'll have to go back and watch. Of the film I watched and the breakdowns I've read, it seems like he is on the raw side, but he's at least ready to play right away as a 3rd-down, pass-rush specialist in his rookie year. Plus, him and Toney fit our wide-9 scheme really well. He's closer to #10 for me than #1. Probably 8-10 range. Not a single sack last year? It bugs me a lot that toney was far more productive, especially considering toney is lined up on the right side of the defense more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinerNation21 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Forge said: He's closer to #10 for me than #1. Probably 8-10 range. Not a single sack last year? It bugs me a lot that toney was far more productive, especially considering toney is lined up on the right side of the defense more often That's fair. What do you think about Patrick Jones and Dayo Odeyinbo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, NinerNation21 said: That's fair. What do you think about Patrick Jones and Dayo Odeyinbo? I'm *mostly* out on Jones. The thing is, I don't know what he does at the next level. He can't play down in the dirt, I don't think that's going to be a thing for him in the NFL. He gets bullied fairly easily. He probably needs to push back from the line, but he hasn't done that before. Otherwise he needs get get stronger at the point of attack. He's not going to be able to put everyone on skates at the next level. So he's got to get bigger / stronger, or he needs to step back from the line. Either way, he's a project. I say I'm mostly out on him because if there was a defense that he may be able to transition well enough to at the next level, it's probably a wide 9. He's explosive off the snap. So in a vacuum, I'm out. But I think guys like he and Toney can be interesting for us. I love Dayo. He's a little more raw and I think he needs to be able to focus one on spot, but I honestly think that you can reasonably play him anywhere from 3T on out (may be best to go no further in than a 4i role, but I don't think you break him going to a 3t role). He's so long and he's not athletically stunted. He's not the edge bender that others are, but he can disengage so effectively. The biggest problem with Dayo is that he tore his Achilles, so you're probably not looking to get much from him until year three. So that definitely hurts his value with regards to where you draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinerNation21 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm *mostly* out on Jones. The thing is, I don't know what he does at the next level. He can't play down in the dirt, I don't think that's going to be a thing for him in the NFL. He gets bullied fairly easily. He probably needs to push back from the line, but he hasn't done that before. Otherwise he needs get get stronger at the point of attack. He's not going to be able to put everyone on skates at the next level. So he's got to get bigger / stronger, or he needs to step back from the line. Either way, he's a project. I say I'm mostly out on him because if there was a defense that he may be able to transition well enough to at the next level, it's probably a wide 9. He's explosive off the snap. So in a vacuum, I'm out. But I think guys like he and Toney can be interesting for us. I love Dayo. He's a little more raw and I think he needs to be able to focus one on spot, but I honestly think that you can reasonably play him anywhere from 3T on out (may be best to go no further in than a 4i role, but I don't think you break him going to a 3t role). He's so long and he's not athletically stunted. He's not the edge bender that others are, but he can disengage so effectively. The biggest problem with Dayo is that he tore his Achilles, so you're probably not looking to get much from him until year three. So that definitely hurts his value with regards to where you draft him. So, who is your top EDGE for the Niners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, NinerNation21 said: So, who is your top EDGE for the Niners? Well, I don't have any interest in taking an Edge at 12, so that becomes an issue. Between 12 and our second rounder (the earliest I would take an edge), you're not going to have access to Paye, Ojulari, probably Phillips, Rousseau maybe some others. My highest ranked true edge with a reasonable shot at being there in round 2 would likely be Ossai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Forge said: Well, I don't have any interest in taking an Edge at 12, so that becomes an issue. Between 12 and our second rounder (the earliest I would take an edge), you're not going to have access to Paye, Ojulari, probably Phillips, Rousseau maybe some others. My highest ranked true edge with a reasonable shot at being there in round 2 would likely be Ossai. So we are taking edge at 12 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, 49erurtaza said: So we are taking edge at 12 then. Maybe. I don't know that it can be answered until we see what we do in FA at tackle. I think that there's a good chance we lose Trent, but I could see us bring in someone like Villanueva to compensate. If we do that, maybe we don't go offensive line in the first. But if we can't find at least a competent replacement, I feel like we almost have to go Slater / Darrisaw. I don't know how you can get away from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 FTR, Phillips is probably the best edge in this class for me. My only real concern from an on field standpoint is that he's often lined up on the left side of the defense. But he's the best mix of athletic talent + skill + production. That being said, he probably won't be my #1 edge due to the medical issues, I think he retired for a hot second at one point, etc. Waaaaaaaaaay too much risk for me in the first. Paye doesn't excite me, but seems like at the very least he'll be a pros pro, so he'll mostly likely be my #1 overall edge guy (in a vacuum and probably for us as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
757-NINER Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, NinerNation21 said: Interesting. I'll have to go back and watch. Of the film I watched and the breakdowns I've read, it seems like he is on the raw side, but he's at least ready to play right away as a 3rd-down, pass-rush specialist in his rookie year. Plus, him and Toney fit our wide-9 scheme really well. He's sooooo raw. Like he's just an athlete right now, nothing more. Edge is so tricky with this class. A guy I've really been intrigued by is Cooper from Ohio State. Went back and rewatched some Senior Bowl stuff and its just something about his game. Not the strongest, not the quickest but he has a combination of traits and he's saavy with his counters...just something there that flashed to me. He could be a nice compliment to a already established counterpart as a 3rd down specialist early on. And then maybe he develops down the line. Definitely somebody I'd take a flier on Day 2 or 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 And here I thought Atlanta would have rated Jones higher than most lol. Lance to ATL makes a lot of sense though. Will get to sit for a year and learn under Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 7:47 PM, J-ALL-DAY said: And here I thought Atlanta would have rated Jones higher than most lol. Lance to ATL makes a lot of sense though. Will get to sit for a year and learn under Ryan. NFL must be really high on him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/8/2021 at 7:52 PM, Forge said: NFL must be really high on him I think there is a very strong chance that Lance will fall. I think he's the exact type of guy the draftnik community falls in love with, but actual scouts and head coaches will be lukewarm on come draft day. I posted about Lance back in January after I watched two full games of his: (Hopefully this pastes well for you light theme users, I post in dark theme so it might be outlined in black) "I have some concerns with Lance now that I've watched full games rather than just the highlights For starters, the windup on his release is really bad. Defenders start to break on the ball as it's leaving his hands. That's not good. Especially when guys are faster on the next level His arm is good but the ball placement is very inconsistent. Seems like all of the deep throws on the highlight tapes drop into the bucket down the field, similar to Russel Wilson - he shows a high arcing ball, but then when I watch the full games he misses a ton of deep throws. when he doesn't get the same air under it, he doesn't connect. I do like how often he looks to throw deep, I feel that is a missing component of this offense He looks like a good runner but I am not sure how fast he actually is, sometimes he looks every bit the part of an elite athlete, and then there are other times he takes a false step or two and it takes him a long time to gain any ground. The fact he relied on his legs so much against the lower level of competition is also tough to quantify. I don't know if he will be the runner people think in the NFL. He does seem to have good footwork and pocket presence though, which are welcome sights considering those are Garoppolos biggest flaws, so he will be a 'mobile' QB but maybe not a running QB, if that makes any sense So, he looks very raw to me with a lot of flaws mechanically that give me pause. The fact he hasn't played in a long time is also an issue, but the good thing is that we will be able to learn a lot about this kid right away. He has had more time to prepare for the draft than any healthy QB prospect in history basically. So if we don't see some changes in his windup, to me that will mean he is either getting bad advice or not putting in the work on his own. I think he can overcome all of these issues, but it's gonna take time and tons of hardwork. So if he is a relentless worker, then I am in, otherwise I have a hard time seeing Kyle pull the trigger in the first round. We may put a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him if we are being perfectly honest " ^^^ I stand by that. I think there is a very strong possibility that Lance falls into the late first and someone trades up for him. I really think he is a comparable prospect with Jordan love. Same issues as far as mechanics but a good athlete, dynamic playmaker, and someone that a team will think they can fix. He's the type of prospect that looks great in a highlight tape, but has legitimate issues that fans don't see/acknowledge but that scouts will pick apart Dont be surprised when he falls. ATL trading up or taking him in the second makes a ton of sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie9er Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 With all the money dak got i really want a trade up for either wilson or fields now cost controlled qb for next 5 years would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinerNation21 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 17 hours ago, Forge said: FTR, Phillips is probably the best edge in this class for me. My only real concern from an on field standpoint is that he's often lined up on the left side of the defense. But he's the best mix of athletic talent + skill + production. That being said, he probably won't be my #1 edge due to the medical issues, I think he retired for a hot second at one point, etc. Waaaaaaaaaay too much risk for me in the first. Paye doesn't excite me, but seems like at the very least he'll be a pros pro, so he'll mostly likely be my #1 overall edge guy (in a vacuum and probably for us as well). I'm completely out on Phillips. Yes, he may be the most talented EDGE in the class, but his injury history is scary and he retired twice in college due to concussions. Would we have another Borland situation if we drafted Phillips? I really don't want any of the Miami EDGE guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Ojulari in a trade down would be a great scenario, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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