drew39k Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I'm def team Smith/Chase/Sewell after a small trade down. Pickup an extra high second. Then we can use some combo of seattle's first our second and the trade down second to fill RB TE and either a wr or lineman depending on what we did with our first round. Sign a guy like Mariotta or Winston to come in and compete with Sam for the job. Winner gets the starting nod. If Sam is the winner and plus well we have our guy. If he sucks or gets beat, we have two first rounders and will likely lose a lot of games putting us in position to move up for a QB next off season. That qb would be walking into a much better roster, with a head coach that had a year to build and install his system, something that significantly improves the chances for a rookie QB to succeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: But we literally have to ace FA and our 23rd and 34th pick to give Wilson a chance to succeed. We don’t help him like we haven’t helped countless QBs before... there will be no difference who’s under center 1. It doesn't have to be done in one offseason. 2. We have nearly 80M to spend in free agency plus 3 additional picks in the top 90. 3. There are some decent players to build around in Crowder, Mims, Becton, McGovern, etc. There is no reason the pick at 2 should be devoid of talent and put in a worse situation then any other young QB going to a team drafting this high. None of those situations are ideal but somehow other teams make it work and so can we. If anything we can put him in a great spot if we focus our assets on the offensive side of the ball. Edited January 13, 2021 by Rockice_8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene N White Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Mack jones is a hard no for me. I could throw for 300 with those weapons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heymangold Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I skipped a page but I honestly can’t see a new coach tying his career to Sam Darnold. I’m not interested in trying to build around Sam and ending up in the same situation next year, or the year after. I want to start this rebuild now while JD, new coach and new qb are on the same timeline. If it doesn’t work out, you get rid of all of them and start again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bspice Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Rockice_8 said: That's not getting you into Smith range. He's going top 5 likely. What do you think it would take to get him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, bspice said: What do you think it would take to get him? 23, 34 and both 3rds. That would get us to 5. About where he will go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, bspice said: What do you think it would take to get him? Next year's 1 probably to start without checking the chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag68Sid87 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I don't like the idea of keeping Darnold and bringing in more question marks like Winston and/or Mariota to compete with him. Too much uncertainty, not enough of a plan imo. Too much in the air. Draft a developmental QB (at 23, or early 2nd round), sign a legitimate starting QB and have the veteran start the season as the guy. Then reassess as the season progresses, and as the young QB progresses. Perhaps there is an injury somewhere along the line. Perhaps our doctors puncture our veteran QB's lung, boom instant opportunity. We just have to stop making the same mistake with the QB. Drafting another guy at 2 and anointing him the starter after just doing that at 3 in 2018 is not the way to go here. There are 8 quarterbacks playing this weekend, six of whom sat behind a veteran to start their careers. Three of those six are considered three of the 10 best, all time (Brady, Brees and Rodgers). Two of the others are among the elite at the position right now (Mahomes and Jackson). The other was picked No. 1 overall and is starting to show why (Mayfield). Of the two who started right away, only Josh Allen (who many on this board hated in 2018, and thought would bust completely) looks like the real deal. He is with Mahomes and Jackson as part of the elite at the position right now (along with Rodgers, Russell Wilson, et al). Wilson too had to earn the job as a later pick. He started right away but that was not the plan. Seattle gave big money to Matt Flynn, he was supposed to be the guy. Meanwhile, the guy who resembles Darnold the most (Jared Goff) is the other guy who started right away. And he has already started to regress. The same thing happened to Carson Wentz, who went right after him and started right away. Meanwhile, Dallas has a superstar at QB in Dak Prescott and he too sat behind a quality veteran in Tony Romo. There are just too many examples of success stories when a team decided to sit their eventual starter (even if it was for just one week, like Justin Herbert) instead of playing them immediately. To me, the plan should be obvious by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jag68Sid87 said: I don't like the idea of keeping Darnold and bringing in more question marks like Winston and/or Mariota to compete with him. Too much uncertainty, not enough of a plan imo. Too much in the air. Draft a developmental QB (at 23, or early 2nd round), sign a legitimate starting QB and have the veteran start the season as the guy. Then reassess as the season progresses, and as the young QB progresses. Perhaps there is an injury somewhere along the line. Perhaps our doctors puncture our veteran QB's lung, boom instant opportunity. We just have to stop making the same mistake with the QB. Drafting another guy at 2 and anointing him the starter after just doing that at 3 in 2018 is not the way to go here. There are 8 quarterbacks playing this weekend, six of whom sat behind a veteran to start their careers. Three of those six are considered three of the 10 best, all time (Brady, Brees and Rodgers). Two of the others are among the elite at the position right now (Mahomes and Jackson). The other was picked No. 1 overall and is starting to show why (Mayfield). Of the two who started right away, only Josh Allen (who many on this board hated in 2018, and thought would bust completely) looks like the real deal. He is with Mahomes and Jackson as part of the elite at the position right now (along with Rodgers, Russell Wilson, et al). Wilson too had to earn the job as a later pick. He started right away but that was not the plan. Seattle gave big money to Matt Flynn, he was supposed to be the guy. Meanwhile, the guy who resembles Darnold the most (Jared Goff) is the other guy who started right away. And he has already started to regress. The same thing happened to Carson Wentz, who went right after him and started right away. Meanwhile, Dallas has a superstar at QB in Dak Prescott and he too sat behind a quality veteran in Tony Romo. There are just too many examples of success stories when a team decided to sit their eventual starter (even if it was for just one week, like Justin Herbert) instead of playing them immediately. To me, the plan should be obvious by now. Dak started week 1 as a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I prefer we go Wilson at 2. The only other scenario I’d be ok with is a trade back where we pick up an additional 1st in 2022. First and foremost, I’d want Watson. But if we are going have Darnold under center, I’d at least want a fail safe in place. 3 first next year gives us plenty of amo to get a QB if Darnold bombs. Assuming we even have to trade up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Jag68Sid87 said: sign a legitimate starting QB and have the veteran start the season as the guy Who would you consider a starting vet QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, xrade said: Who would you consider a starting vet QB? eh? I don't want him to answer that question. lol. As far as I can think of.. Aggressive passing offense: Jacoby Brissett Jameis Winston WCO and similar offense: Andy Dalton Taylor Tyrod Phillip Rivers is a standalone qb. Whatever offense has set for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene N White Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jag68Sid87 said: I don't like the idea of keeping Darnold and bringing in more question marks like Winston and/or Mariota to compete with him. Too much uncertainty, not enough of a plan imo. Too much in the air. Draft a developmental QB (at 23, or early 2nd round), sign a legitimate starting QB and have the veteran start the season as the guy. Then reassess as the season progresses, and as the young QB progresses. Perhaps there is an injury somewhere along the line. Perhaps our doctors puncture our veteran QB's lung, boom instant opportunity. We just have to stop making the same mistake with the QB. Drafting another guy at 2 and anointing him the starter after just doing that at 3 in 2018 is not the way to go here. There are 8 quarterbacks playing this weekend, six of whom sat behind a veteran to start their careers. Three of those six are considered three of the 10 best, all time (Brady, Brees and Rodgers). Two of the others are among the elite at the position right now (Mahomes and Jackson). The other was picked No. 1 overall and is starting to show why (Mayfield). Of the two who started right away, only Josh Allen (who many on this board hated in 2018, and thought would bust completely) looks like the real deal. He is with Mahomes and Jackson as part of the elite at the position right now (along with Rodgers, Russell Wilson, et al). Wilson too had to earn the job as a later pick. He started right away but that was not the plan. Seattle gave big money to Matt Flynn, he was supposed to be the guy. Meanwhile, the guy who resembles Darnold the most (Jared Goff) is the other guy who started right away. And he has already started to regress. The same thing happened to Carson Wentz, who went right after him and started right away. Meanwhile, Dallas has a superstar at QB in Dak Prescott and he too sat behind a quality veteran in Tony Romo. There are just too many examples of success stories when a team decided to sit their eventual starter (even if it was for just one week, like Justin Herbert) instead of playing them immediately. To me, the plan should be obvious by now. You do know goff didn’t start right off the back and dak did right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene N White Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Anyone saying we should sign some veteran like winston to start is out of their mind. We know what these guys are and that would be a complete waste of time. Either the new coaching staff likes darnold and rides with him or we literally have the #2 pick in the draft and we get to pick who we want. It’s not rocket science stop overthinking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Greene N White said: Anyone saying we should sign some veteran like winston to start is out of their mind. We know what these guys are and that would be a complete waste of time. Either the new coaching staff likes darnold and rides with him or we literally have the #2 pick in the draft and we get to pick who we want. It’s not rocket science stop overthinking this. Winston #1 Mariota #2 Darnold #3 Trubisky #2 Bortles #1 Goff #1 Wentz #2 Griffin #2 Yup, it is totally rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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