Mr Bad Example Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, ClutchDJ said: Is Stafford really a top 10 QB? Consensus here seems to be he's in that vicinity, with some people apparently ranking him 32nd. Let's run through it, based mostly on last year but also with an eye on pedigree: Top Tier: Mahomes, Rodgers (with the caveat that Rodgers returned there after a year or two near the middle of the pack) Next tier: Watson, Allen, Wilson, Jackson (?), after the past 2 yrs you put Tannehill here, Brady, Dak...maybe Murray? That's 10. I'd say that mostly you'd prefer those guys to Stafford, with maybe some dispute on Jackson, Murray, and Dak, from what I've seen around here (I'd have no problem slotting Jackson and Dak ahead of Stafford at this point, FWIW). Figuring Brees and Rivers retired and Roethlisberger appears washed, that leaves the next bunch as including Stafford, Goff, Cousins, Baker, Burrow, Herbert, Matt Ryan, and Garoppolo. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of Stafford at #11 is probably Herbert, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Bad Example said: Consensus here seems to be he's in that vicinity, with some people apparently ranking him 32nd. Let's run through it, based mostly on last year but also with an eye on pedigree: Top Tier: Mahomes, Rodgers (with the caveat that Rodgers returned there after a year or two near the middle of the pack) Next tier: Watson, Allen, Wilson, Jackson (?), after the past 2 yrs you put Tannehill here, Brady, Dak...maybe Murray? That's 10. I'd say that mostly you'd prefer those guys to Stafford, with maybe some dispute on Jackson, Murray, and Dak, from what I've seen around here (I'd have no problem slotting Jackson and Dak ahead of Stafford at this point, FWIW). Figuring Brees and Rivers retired and Roethlisberger appears washed, that leaves the next bunch as including Stafford, Goff, Cousins, Baker, Burrow, Herbert, Matt Ryan, and Garoppolo. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of Stafford at #11 is probably Herbert, right now. Unpopular opinion, but I think the Titans would be just as good with Stafford under center over Tannehill. Tannehill definitely has the legs, but Stafford has a better arm. I would also take Stafford over Dak on ability right now alone. (For the future? Probably Dak, but it's close. I think Stafford has a lot of time left.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, RuskieTitan said: Goff is garbage, but I'm surprised they had to add that many picks to ship that trash out. Even funnier is picking up a 33 year old QB for that pricetag. Goff will look like crap without McVay, and Stafford isn't going to take the Rams over the hump (although I do have more faith in his ability to put up more than 3 points when it matters). I fully expect the Lions to treat Goff as an experiment, and if it fails he gets cut after this season or after 2022. I don't expect him to have a ton of success and will be down a lot on that team Idk about the Stafford/Rams thing though. Depending on how the offseason plays out, they are solidly in my top 7 of the NFC, and honestly probably around even with the Bucs and Seahawks as that 2nd tier behind Green Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: Consensus here seems to be he's in that vicinity, with some people apparently ranking him 32nd. Let's run through it, based mostly on last year but also with an eye on pedigree: Top Tier: Mahomes, Rodgers (with the caveat that Rodgers returned there after a year or two near the middle of the pack) Next tier: Watson, Allen, Wilson, Jackson (?), after the past 2 yrs you put Tannehill here, Brady, Dak...maybe Murray? That's 10. I'd say that mostly you'd prefer those guys to Stafford, with maybe some dispute on Jackson, Murray, and Dak, from what I've seen around here (I'd have no problem slotting Jackson and Dak ahead of Stafford at this point, FWIW). Figuring Brees and Rivers retired and Roethlisberger appears washed, that leaves the next bunch as including Stafford, Goff, Cousins, Baker, Burrow, Herbert, Matt Ryan, and Garoppolo. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of Stafford at #11 is probably Herbert, right now. I think saying Stafford is in that 8-12 range is a pretty fair assessment. At ABSOLUTE worst he's top 15, and I very much think that isn't giving him enough credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 hours ago, CKSteeler said: One guy is in the top 5 all time in 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. The other is Matt Stafford. But Stafford is top 8, and has only 6 fewer than Ben despite playing 5 fewer seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, ChazStandard said: But Stafford is top 8, and has only 6 fewer than Ben despite playing 5 fewer seasons. Strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Unpopular opinion, but I think the Titans would be just as good with Stafford under center over Tannehill. Tannehill definitely has the legs, but Stafford has a better arm. I would also take Stafford over Dak on ability right now alone. (For the future? Probably Dak, but it's close. I think Stafford has a lot of time left.) Tier 2, in rough order is Watson/Allen (lets's see it for another year)/Brady/Wilson/Jackson/Tannehill/Dak/Murray, and I can imagine Murray ending up in tier 3. I can see being sceptical of Tannehill but he's got an amazing 26 game stretch going in TN and is possibly that franchise's best passer since Warren Moon. But in my rough order, I can see everything south of Jackson being a bit fluid. But I get that this is all opinion. And I definitely feel that Stafford is sitting at 11 right now after having been in a fairly garbage situation for the past 3 yrs. I might even put him ahead of Murray - Murray had a terrific season but he also felt wildly inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: Consensus here seems to be he's in that vicinity, with some people apparently ranking him 32nd. Let's run through it, based mostly on last year but also with an eye on pedigree: Top Tier: Mahomes, Rodgers (with the caveat that Rodgers returned there after a year or two near the middle of the pack) Next tier: Watson, Allen, Wilson, Jackson (?), after the past 2 yrs you put Tannehill here, Brady, Dak...maybe Murray? That's 10. I'd say that mostly you'd prefer those guys to Stafford, with maybe some dispute on Jackson, Murray, and Dak, from what I've seen around here (I'd have no problem slotting Jackson and Dak ahead of Stafford at this point, FWIW). Figuring Brees and Rivers retired and Roethlisberger appears washed, that leaves the next bunch as including Stafford, Goff, Cousins, Baker, Burrow, Herbert, Matt Ryan, and Garoppolo. The only guy I'd consider putting ahead of Stafford at #11 is probably Herbert, right now. Lol. You literally listed Goff in the same tier as Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Remember the Jared Goff = Peyton Manning thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: Tier 2, in rough order is Watson/Allen (lets's see it for another year)/Brady/Wilson/Jackson/Tannehill/Dak/Murray, and I can imagine Murray ending up in tier 3. I can see being sceptical of Tannehill but he's got an amazing 26 game stretch going in TN and is possibly that franchise's best passer since Warren Moon. But in my rough order, I can see everything south of Jackson being a bit fluid. But I get that this is all opinion. And I definitely feel that Stafford is sitting at 11 right now after having been in a fairly garbage situation for the past 3 yrs. I might even put him ahead of Murray - Murray had a terrific season but he also felt wildly inconsistent. Can’t you say the same about Stafford? Edited January 31, 2021 by ClutchDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ClutchDJ said: Can’t you say the same about Stafford? I dunno, I look at his game logs, he seemed to be solid-to-good every week, with no major meltdowns but also not really any super-spectacular games. Murray felt a bit more up-and-down to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, NJC33 said: I mean, he’s on the verge of eclipsing the 50,000 mark. When it’s all said & done he’ll be in the HOF and rightfully so. One of the most under appreciated players of the past decade! He's not going to make the Hall of Fame at this rate. His only accolades is 1 Pro Bowl. It's possible if he has an amazing next few seasons, but he has A LONG way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, jrry32 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 If Goff is just a winner and Stafford isn’t, Shouldn’t we expect Goff to have a 10 win season on a terrible Detroit team this coming year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUGmen Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 53 minutes ago, ripsean21 said: But my point is while you guys developed those sure things I agree the coaches didn’t maximize the other players they selected. That’s the coaching and FO that’s not a void of talent you guys drafted talented RB’s OL and defenders. The fact the coaching staff never got the most out of them that’s a organizational issue. Players in the NFL are all crazy talented. And I agree with you the Rams are more talented. But are they any deeper then the Lions were? But for the sake of your post here’s the team Stafford Rb- Swift, Reggie bush, Kevin Smith, jahvid Best, Ridley Wr- Calvin, Tate, Galloday, Jones, Burleson, Boldin OL, Decker, Ragnow, Glasgow, warford, reiff, Schwartz TE, pettigrew, Enron, Hockenson DL suh, Fairley, Vanden Bosch, Avril, Ansah ngata, Ashawn Robinson LB Byrnes,Van Noy Whitehead, copeland DB- Slay, Quinn, Diggs Like you talk about 10 years worth of players to match one team that’s better then the Rams man so that’s a silly take bud!!!! Stafford has had a Top 10 defense once in his entire career with Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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