scar988 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 20 minutes ago, sparky151 said: It's not just the old players on the Saints causing the problems.Penning and Ramczyk should be mainstays but Penning has flopped and Ramczyk looks done. They can cut him as June 2 cut and save 17 mil this year but he'll have more than 20 mil in dead money for 2025. So they have to just run off some terrible contracts. They should remember the first rule of holes and stop digging, at least as much as they can. Trading down for more draft picks might work for them but I'm not sure about trading current year picks for future years. They need to add some cheap, younger talent to their roster. They just need to draft better and stop trading up. Let the draft come to them and take the best players available. Carr is probably the best QB in their division so they can stay viable for a playoff spot even as they clear cap space. Carr isn't better than Baker. Carr isn't better than what Young could be. And the Falcons should be able to find someone better than Carr this offseason. You're vastly overrating Carr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 I'd say you are underrating him. He doesn't get much respect but his 25-8 TD/INT ratio for last year was pretty good. Better than Mayfields 28-10 or Mahomes 27-14 or Josh Allen's 29-18 or Justin Herbert's 20-7. Carr isn't the problem in New Orleans, he gives them above average play for average pay. They need value like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 They should gut their roster. Fire everyone and start over with a new GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Not sure how on top of things Gayle Benson is but Loomis seems to have lifetime job security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 They definitely need to blow it up. I'm sure they can get creative, but odds are it will be a multi year teardown, which likely means going from 7 to 5 to 3 to 1 win before they're in the clear....not an appetizing thought when you can still mostly get the Superdome filled right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/3/2024 at 11:12 AM, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Blow it up. Trade Kamara, trade Jordan and eat alot of dead cap to start over They can’t eat that dead cap, they’ll be non-compliant. Coming into the offseason, cutting every player on the roster that would garner positive cap space, would leave them over the cap. Trading them won’t even help. Their only option (which they’ve already began doing) is pushing money forward even more, to gain compliance for 2024. They’re already over $50M+ over for 2025 too, so they’ll probably be doing this again for at least one more year before they have any breathing room. It’s not really a question of blowing it up vs keep kicking the can. They literally can’t afford to blow it up and trade some of their pricier players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 hours ago, scar988 said: Carr isn't better than Baker. Carr isn't better than what Young could be. And the Falcons should be able to find someone better than Carr this offseason. You're vastly overrating Carr. Like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 minutes ago, BroncoSojia said: Like who? Cousins would be better. Fields would be better. Any of the top 3 rookies would be better. Hell, I think Penix could be better under Zac Robinson than Carr is. Carr is terrible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: I'd say you are underrating him. He doesn't get much respect but his 25-8 TD/INT ratio for last year was pretty good. Better than Mayfields 28-10 or Mahomes 27-14 or Josh Allen's 29-18 or Justin Herbert's 20-7. Carr isn't the problem in New Orleans, he gives them above average play for average pay. They need value like that. He had 12 in the final 4 weeks when their season was basically over and had 13 in the first 13 weeks, lol, he was bad last year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 They honestly need to desperately hit on the draft, like 2017 style hit. That’s the best thing they can do in their current predicament 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 5 hours ago, Soko said: They can’t eat that dead cap, they’ll be non-compliant. Coming into the offseason, cutting every player on the roster that would garner positive cap space, would leave them over the cap. Trading them won’t even help. Their only option (which they’ve already began doing) is pushing money forward even more, to gain compliance for 2024. They’re already over $50M+ over for 2025 too, so they’ll probably be doing this again for at least one more year before they have any breathing room. It’s not really a question of blowing it up vs keep kicking the can. They literally can’t afford to blow it up and trade some of their pricier players. It's genuinely astonishing just how badly cemented into their purgatory they actually are right now, with basically no wiggle room. It's also a fascinating window into what a real "Franchise QB" can do to mask these things. The post-Brees era has really done them in. However, it's not even necessarily because they changed a lot of their other habits or process. They ran more or less the same way while he was there and won games and nobody really batted an eye at it. But suddenly, when you don't have a capable QB who can make up for deficiencies elsewhere...this practice of constantly mortgaging the future, kicking money down the road and basically living in "constant looming debt" year by year, really comes due. Now it's in the spotlight and man it's ugly. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 7 hours ago, Tugboat said: It's genuinely astonishing just how badly cemented into their purgatory they actually are right now, with basically no wiggle room. It's also a fascinating window into what a real "Franchise QB" can do to mask these things. The post-Brees era has really done them in. However, it's not even necessarily because they changed a lot of their other habits or process. They ran more or less the same way while he was there and won games and nobody really batted an eye at it. But suddenly, when you don't have a capable QB who can make up for deficiencies elsewhere...this practice of constantly mortgaging the future, kicking money down the road and basically living in "constant looming debt" year by year, really comes due. Now it's in the spotlight and man it's ugly. 😆 They lost a HOF QB and all time great head coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: They lost a HOF QB and all time great head coach Payton wasn't covering over anything once Brees left though. It was just desperate scrambling trying to run things the way they had under Brees...and if you don't have that QB...it just doesn't work. But that's the point. Saw the same thing in NE with Brady. You can get away with so much and there are so many things you can just kick down the road forever when you have "That Guy" at QB. But as soon as you don't, the whole house of cards just implodes spectacularly. As it did with a pair of HoF coaches in both Bill and Payton. Edited March 5 by Tugboat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Karma for Bounty gate. blow it up. All their pieces suck. Thomas hasn’t played in 10’years. Kamara a UFC fighter now, Jordan looks done ever 3 games. Carr as as. Yeah, no future and no present. They stuck in purgatory. Chefs kiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 At some point they will need to have a dead cap year to reset the scales. Just take a year and eat like $90 million in dead cap space and stop pushing it off. That's the price of years upon years of cap manipulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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