vegas492 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: What Davante’s play? We have him under contract this year and tag him next year ( top 5-10 money 16 mil ) who gives Davante a big contract after the next two years? Probably best if he gets a raise now, rather than a raise later, no? Now you are getting it! So if you are negotiating a deal for 'Vante. You have to look at his money this year, plus franchise tag money next year (with the franchise being guaranteed) as a starting point, then build off of that. And this is why he will most likely sign a deal with GB. We can and should give him more guaranteed money than he would get by taking a franchise tag, then shopping for a new deal at a new age and possibly new injury concerns. What you are seeing now is negotiation posturing. Something I know a smidge about. First rule of negotiation, understanding if you have a partner across the table willing to negotiate. That's a "yes" on both parties right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Now you are getting it! So if you are negotiating a deal for 'Vante. You have to look at his money this year, plus franchise tag money next year (with the franchise being guaranteed) as a starting point, then build off of that. And this is why he will most likely sign a deal with GB. We can and should give him more guaranteed money than he would get by taking a franchise tag, then shopping for a new deal at a new age and possibly new injury concerns. What you are seeing now is negotiation posturing. Something I know a smidge about. First rule of negotiation, understanding if you have a partner across the table willing to negotiate. That's a "yes" on both parties right now. You still aren’t understanding my point or you’re choosing to distort it. Bottom line is Davante isn’t going anywhere after this year. They’re able to afford him for this and next year . After that , his value drops significantly Edited July 23, 2021 by Rainmaker90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Too bad you have nothing more to say. It is an interesting issue to discuss. Cap Ramifications. And you don't have to be a "Russ Ball" in order to have an opinion. My opinion is that we are already in a precarious cap situation given the voidable year deals that we've given out. The unknown thing out there is just how much the cap will go up this year with fans in the stadiums and new TV revenue. NFL and NFLPA have set the 2022 cap ceiling at $208M. At least that is the report I remember seeing. the 2023 and beyond cap is the bigger question as that could be pushing $230 in 2023 and $250 in 2024. That makes moving the money around easier to do .... assuming that it is Love at QB1 and a cheap contract and Rodgers off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said: You still aren’t understanding my point or you’re choosing to distort it. Bottom line is Davante isn’t going anywhere after this year. They’re able to afford him for this and next year . I'm not trying to distort anything. I'm trying to give you credit for understanding the cap, although you are not named Russ Ball. What I'm trying to tell you is that if your plan includes a franchise tag, that is a GREAT place to start negotiations and work off of that. Though my guess is that 'Vante's side is trying to start with the Hopkins deals and work from there. Hence the impasse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 minute ago, squire12 said: NFL and NFLPA have set the 2022 cap ceiling at $208M. At least that is the report I remember seeing. the 2023 and beyond cap is the bigger question as that could be pushing $230 in 2023 and $250 in 2024. That makes moving the money around easier to do .... assuming that it is Love at QB1 and a cheap contract and Rodgers off the books. Yah, I was just looking at 2022 on Spotrac. That's gonna be a tough number. Even by releasing Preston and Lowry we do not get under the cap. Probably going to see some contracts like Bakh and Clark re-done to push out some money. Z, too. I feel like I can be done. Also feel like Ball's been a cap wizard before, and he'll have to be one again. Course, financially things get easier if..... #12 is off of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo972 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, vegas492 said: Yah, I was just looking at 2022 on Spotrac. That's gonna be a tough number. Even by releasing Preston and Lowry we do not get under the cap. Probably going to see some contracts like Bakh and Clark re-done to push out some money. Z, too. I feel like I can be done. Also feel like Ball's been a cap wizard before, and he'll have to be one again. Course, financially things get easier if..... #12 is off of the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 47 minutes ago, squire12 said: are you sure I am not?? Found Bill O'Brien's account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I'm not trying to distort anything. I'm trying to give you credit for understanding the cap, although you are not named Russ Ball. What I'm trying to tell you is that if your plan includes a franchise tag, that is a GREAT place to start negotiations and work off of that. Though my guess is that 'Vante's side is trying to start with the Hopkins deals and work from there. Hence the impasse. Lol, go check where I said ‘we should pay him what he wants now’ Whatever way they choose to pay Davante to play for us next year, they’ll have a plan. That’s what I’ve been saying. What’s hard to understand. We can pay Davante and won’t be crippled. They’ll make sure we don’t have to get rid of our star players. That’s it! I’m not saying we should or it’s smart to sign him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) I don't blame Adams for waiting to see how 12's alleged problems play out before reaching an agreement. QB is obviously the essential component in question and if/when Rodgers is gone, I still think this is a good young football team and not a rebuild. Maybe he doesn't tho. Edited July 23, 2021 by thrILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Nothing wrong with Adams hoping to hit FA in 2022 with potential to sign a big contract. Certainly his right to choose that as a potential route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leader Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Jason_OTC - I think thats nothing more than a fun troll job by Smith. GB already paid almost all his salary this year. Next year however...... Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap - Agreed - by max restructuring his current deal in March to get under the 2021 salary cap it all but ended the possibility of the Packers extending Za’Darius Smith this year. Next year, however, the team will be forced to extend, trade, or cut his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltarich87 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Wish he didn't clarify because it's funnier making people think differently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, deltarich87 said: Someone should refer him to that girl who was supposed to clean Rodgers' house or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Za'Darius Smith - Are you guys crazy the Market is up! I’m just trying to find a new house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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