Shanedorf Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Murphy doesn't have much more control than he did before...it was merely an acceptable accommodation and evolution of the roles During the search, one of the things they uncovered was that putting all of those roles on to one man was simply too much. That came about as part of the TT transition planning. They wanted to see which jobs he wanted, which ones he didn't to craft a new role for him in GB. And as a part of that assessment they realized that TT's title: Executive Vice President + General Manager + Director of Football Operations is just too much for any one guy in the modern NFL So they were always going to split this job among 2-3 people after the results of their discussions and review. (That's likely why some of the reporters got the "Ball is the GM ! news wrong. He did get promoted, just not to GM. ) Now all those responsibilities are split between Ball and Gute and rather than having one guy report to the other, they had them report up to Murphy On the MM side, its easy enough having him report to TT who hired him, but both Gute and Ball are younger and less accomplished than our highly successful NFL coach, so that would be kinda weird on the reporting side. MM and TT were closer to peers, while Gute and Ball were a step below on the org chart. By all reports, MM and Gutekunst are sympatico and that's what really matters most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think the change came from Mac, not Murphy. Don't look at it from a Murphy gets to hire/fire, but as everytime Ball and Gute meet with Murphy, Mac will be present now too. I think he was frustrated of not having a guaranteed seat at the big boys table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: I think the change came from Mac, not Murphy. Don't look at it from a Murphy gets to hire/fire, but as everytime Ball and Gute meet with Murphy, Mac will be present now too. I think he was frustrated of not having a guaranteed seat at the big boys table. which makes complete sense as @Shanedorf pointed out. MM is an elite football guy in the league who could demand (and get) more power than he had (has) in GB if he really wanted it on the open market. I have zero problem giving him equal footing w/ Gute and Ball in the franchise decision making process. MM is more than just a great coach at this point IMO. No need to overload his duties, but he's earned a spot at the table fo sho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, incognito_man said: which makes complete sense as @Shanedorf pointed out. MM is an elite football guy in the league who could demand (and get) more power than he had (has) in GB if he really wanted it on the open market. I have zero problem giving him equal footing w/ Gute and Ball in the franchise decision making process. MM is more than just a great coach at this point IMO. No need to overload his duties, but he's earned a spot at the table fo sho. I just don’t like the idea of 3 people having what appears as “equal” say. If they all work well together than it’s no biggie, but there is concern now with multiple reports that 2 of the 3 have a damaged relationship (that has formed over the past several years). It may not be anything but it could also be a disaster. I’m hopefully McCarthy and Ball can make it work. I’m not really worried about Gutekunst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I just watched the Gutekunst presser, and I am excited we went with him. I think he will bring a nice balance between draft and develop and FAs. I don't expect it to be blockbusters but maybe even some blue chippers that add great depth and push us forward. I'm willing to give the power structure a chance. Murphy doesn't seem unreasonable, or a power tyrant. I think he is honest when he talks about some of what he learned and realized by going in this direction. I believe he has been thinking about this for awhile, as he says. My guess is 2014. I think these guys can work together, and i'm optimistic that Wolf stays too. I think maybe reports were darker than needed to be. It's a business of egos, but these guys know it takes more than one for success. Whether you are stoked or not, people have been calling for a shake up for awhile, and you got it. Might not be your dream, but I think we all need to give this a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Is this new arrangement similar to the Management Triangle Minny had in place during the Childress years? I recall that system not working out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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squire12 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 For those questioning the quality of the 2013 draft class for GB. Here are some figures. CaV represents the "career approximate value" from pro football reference. CarAV - career approximate value. See the entry on AV. The Career AV is computed by summing 100% of the player's best-season AV, 95% of his second-best-season AV, 90% of his third best, and so on. The idea is that the Career AV rating should weight peak seasons slightly more than "compiler"-type seasons. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/career_av_career.htm This is the total of the players drafted divided by the number of players. So an average per player for that teams draft class. CaV per draft 2013 NO 14.400 CAR 13.400 CHI 13.333 DAL 13.143 LAR/STL 13.000 DET 12.556 LAC/SD 12.167 GB 11.909 NYJ 11.429 PIT 10.556 JAX 10.000 ARI 9.889 PHI 9.625 TB 9.500 NE 9.286 KC 9.125 BUF 8.750 OAK 8.600 MIN 8.556 BAL 8.000 WAS 7.857 ATL 7.625 HOU 7.556 TEN 7.125 MIA 6.778 NYG 6.714 CIN 6.600 SF 6.455 DEN 5.286 IND 5.000 SEA 4.364 CLE 4.000 Considering where GB drafted relative to the other teams above them GB picked 26 NO picked 15 CAR picked 14 CHI picked 20 DET picked 5 LAR picked 8 LAC picked 11 DAL picked 31 in round 1, but I believe they traded down from the mid teens. I would say that was a pretty good draft by GB relative to the rest of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Forgive me if we've talked about this already, but I just want to get something straight... So Mark hired the guy who is working with the Texans to find their GM. It's said that guy only works with one team, but Mark hired him as a consultant. So we interview Brian on friday. Then saturday he gets on a plane to Texas. In Brian's presser today he says that he was having dinner with the Texans and he didn't want to be rude and answer the phone, but it was buzzing. Mark then says that he didn't want to let Brian finish his full interview with the Texans which was on sunday. So Brian was hired basically at dinner with the Texans? Any chance there is some level of tampering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Leader said: Good! I think it's good for Wolf if he leaves. Then sign Scot mcoughlan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Good! I think it's good for Wolf if he leaves. Then sign Scot mcoughlan. New ideas and whatnot. Wolf had been here too long. You need new blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Forgive me if we've talked about this already, but I just want to get something straight... So Mark hired the guy who is working with the Texans to find their GM. It's said that guy only works with one team, but Mark hired him as a consultant. So we interview Brian on friday. Then saturday he gets on a plane to Texas. In Brian's presser today he says that he was having dinner with the Texans and he didn't want to be rude and answer the phone, but it was buzzing. Mark then says that he didn't want to let Brian finish his full interview with the Texans which was on sunday. So Brian was hired basically at dinner with the Texans? Any chance there is some level of tampering? Why is that tampering? Because they wanted to get him before Houston could? Nothing illegal about that afaik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Forgive me if we've talked about this already, but I just want to get something straight... So Mark hired the guy who is working with the Texans to find their GM. It's said that guy only works with one team, but Mark hired him as a consultant. So we interview Brian on friday. Then saturday he gets on a plane to Texas. In Brian's presser today he says that he was having dinner with the Texans and he didn't want to be rude and answer the phone, but it was buzzing. Mark then says that he didn't want to let Brian finish his full interview with the Texans which was on sunday. So Brian was hired basically at dinner with the Texans? Any chance there is some level of tampering? No. How could it be tampering?Gute was free to interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, incognito_man said: No. How could it be tampering?Gute was free to interview. 2 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: Why is that tampering? Because they wanted to get him before Houston could? Nothing illegal about that afaik Maybe tampering isn't the right word. I mean is there any chance that the guy who was hired by the Texans kinda tipped Murphy off that he had better call him and give him the offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, JBURGE25 said: Maybe tampering isn't the right word. I mean is there any chance that the guy who was hired by the Texans kinda tipped Murphy off that he had better call him and give him the offer GB knew where he was, it wasn't a secret. Hell, we all knew here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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