BayRaider Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Nex_Gen said: If Watt couldn't win it in 2014, no defensive player ever will... It’ll happen at some point. Basically need to break the sack record, be a Top 2 seed, and have a so-so QB year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 hours ago, SBLIII said: Donald is the best player in football overall but not the most impactful player that's why he will never win MVP. Nor is he the most impactful player on his own team.... Replace Goff with a scrub and they're a middling 8-8 squad at best. Replace Donald with a scrub and even if the entire defense goes to hell they'd still win probably 11ish games off the prolific offense alone. For any non-QB to win MVP, you need none of the league's QBs to have great years plus have a historically good year yourself. Not gonna happen this year, as we already see several QBs having great years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTazeMeBro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I wish they would have never named it Most Valuable Player. People take the word Valuable way too literally when trying to figure this thing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 because individual defensive players arent used in fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Because they never are the M. V. P. of the league in any given year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimonas Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: I disagree. Donald is that defense. They struggle stopping people without Donald. If you don’t have Goff you still have a juggernaut offense and still have Gurley. If you don’t have Gurley, you still have a juggernaut offense and still have Goff. This is practically the giants right now and look how good their offense is. mcvay can only do so much without a quality qb like goff. Also they struggle to stop people *with* donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Daimonas said: This is practically the giants right now and look how good their offense is. mcvay can only do so much without a quality qb like goff. Also they struggle to stop people *with* donald. agreed. McVay deserves a lot of credit for helping Goff turn it around but I think people are undervaluing the importance of a stud QB when they say the Rams can plug in just another QB in there and don't miss a beat. Goff was the #1 pick for a reason and those type of talents don't grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Daimonas said: This is practically the giants right now and look how good their offense is. mcvay can only do so much without a quality qb like goff. Also they struggle to stop people *with* donald. Well the Giants also almost entirely lack an o-line. Rams have been creating some monster holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 16 hours ago, DontTazeMeBro said: I wish they would have never named it Most Valuable Player. People take the word Valuable way too literally when trying to figure this thing out. Yeah the best definition for what MVP actually is: the best QB on the best team. Take the top 4 records and if there is an outstanding QB amongst them, they win. If no QB is outstanding and an RB is about to break a record, and are on a playoff team.... they win. If none of those circumstances exist and you are the GOAT defensive player, you can maybe have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The previously undefeated Rams lost because the Saints put up 45 on them. Aaron Donald is the best defensive player in the NFL, but if you take him and Drew Brees out of the game yesterday which loss would have had a bigger impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 hours ago, DontTazeMeBro said: I wish they would have never named it Most Valuable Player. People take the word Valuable way too literally when trying to figure this thing out. How else are we supposed to define it? Definition: the player who contributes the most to his or her team's success. Using the Rams as an example - that would be Goff, not Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: How else are we supposed to define it? Definition: the player who contributes the most to his or her team's success. Using the Rams as an example - that would be Goff, not Donald. Player of the Year would be a better award, because no matter how you dice it QBs are more valuable to a team than any other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Defensive player can't win the MVP because Mahomes will throw for 50 TDs. That kind of value can't be replicated on the defensive side of the ball with just one player. It would take a GOAT like season and a down year from RBs and QBs. It doesn't look like there will be anymore QB down years any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: Defensive player can't win the MVP because Mahomes will throw for 50 TDs. That kind of value can't be replicated on the defensive side of the ball with just one player. It would take a GOAT like season and a down year from RBs and QBs. It doesn't look like there will be anymore QB down years any time soon. I kind of agree - it would take a down year from a lot of QBs to get into the discussion, along with a year without any RBs putting up big numbers. You'd be more likely to see a WR win MVP than a defensive player, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 22 hours ago, Nex_Gen said: If Watt couldn't win it in 2014, no defensive player ever will... or Keith Millard in 1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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