Redskins trade Trent Williams to the 49ers

[naptownskinsfan]

9 hours ago, Chuck80 said:

Keep in the mind the same "staff" these certain posters are defending not only mocked Scot McCloughan and his disease (alcoholism) then made up things because they fired him while he was at his grandmother's funeral services (they didn't know was their excuse like wtf) 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp-redskins/nfl/redskins/gm-report/10-days-of-bruce-mas-no-4-hiring-firing-of-scot-mccloughan

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-a-notable-absence-at-nfl-combine/2017/03/01/127d9b3e-fefa-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html

 

 

That was all Bruce Allen.  He got into a power struggle with McCloughan as you mentioned,, as Snyder wanted to go the route of having a GM and put Bruce in charge of business instead of both business and football.  Obviously Bruce won.  A couple years ago by, and Snyder wants to hire Brian Lafemina away from the NFL league office to run the business side, and puts Bruce Allen in charge of just football.  Lafemina doesn't even last nine months despite making sweeping changes that were all well-received by the fans, culminating with Allen laughing him out of a room when he brought the fallout of a certain player acquisition to the attention of Allen and Snyder, and then eventually firing Lafemina when he heard he was quitting.  

The Trent Williams situation and how mishandled it was, was probably the final straw that broke the camel's back as far as Snyder was concerned.  Snyder let all of this go on, so he shares the blame here.  You won't find anyone trying to defend either Allen or Snyder in the Redskins forum for any of this stuff.  Sadly, we all have reasons to still be Redskins fans, but this kind of stuff was becoming close to getting me out.  

As for the whole Williams/cancer saga, I feel for the guy.  He was super trusting of the medical and S&C staff, to the point where Snyder flew former head trainer Larry Hess out to Chicago on the teams private jet after Williams had the surgery to remove the tumor and paid for Hess to stay with him for a couple weeks.  But........he's got to take responsibility for his own medical well-being.  Knowing the Redskins team doctors at Inova Health aren't oncologists, but are orthopedic specialists.  Taking their advice after multiple times to get it checked out by someone else. 

Instead, Williams came back and said that he wouldn't return until Bruce Allen and the training staff (not medical, but training) were gone.  Then it leaked out that he wanted more money and would be willing to come back.  Rivera wanted to bring Williams in, even said in his introductory press conference that he wants to win now, and would be contacting Williams.  He wanted a huge contract extension instead.  The Redskins gave him permission to seek a trade, but his agent couldn't find a partner because he wanted too much money.   

I think he just got horrible advice from his agent in the middle of all of this.  The same agent who got himself and Williams taken for over a million dollars in a bad investment scheme.  Because the story that has leaked out, versus the story being told from Williams perspective, doesn't add up.  

[ET80]

20 hours ago, RaykwonDaChef said:

Oh he played the year he was traded lol. He played against the Seahawks and then was traded to them.

That game was a tryout - the only reason he played is because Seattle wanted to see him play after missing 12+ games due to the quad tear (a very serious injury).

20 hours ago, RaykwonDaChef said:

Trent is obviously a better player

Oh, no he isn't. They're probably similar, with Brown getting the edge in All Pro nominations.

20 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

Duane Brown didn't sit out of football for a year or want a $20+ per season extension.

He sat out for half a year (and missed a quarter of another season with the quad injury). The only reason he played was against Seattle - so Seattle could see what they were trading for  The issues with the FO were similar: Williams leveraged the scalp issue, Brown leveraged the "inmates running the prison" comments from Bob McNair. (Duane Brown has been very public on how he felt about the McNair family and their political alignments).

The short end of it is that everyone knew that Brown wasn't playing for the Texans again. Much like how Williams was never playing for the Redskins again.

[CP3MVP]

The 49ers are loaded. 

[lavar703]

18 hours ago, Chuck80 said:

Keep in the mind the same "staff" these certain posters are defending not only mocked Scot McCloughan and his disease (alcoholism) then made up things because they fired him while he was at his grandmother's funeral services (they didn't know was their excuse like wtf) 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp-redskins/nfl/redskins/gm-report/10-days-of-bruce-mas-no-4-hiring-firing-of-scot-mccloughan

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-a-notable-absence-at-nfl-combine/2017/03/01/127d9b3e-fefa-11e6-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html

 

 

What are you even talking about? It’s not the same staff. 

[Scoundrel]

I always find it hilarious the innate need for humans to defend people and situations they have nothing to do with based on liking a team. Like a negative opinion about the team or owners and personnel, their actions, moral display or lack there of is a negative opinion about you. Guess what? It’s not. 

[SaveOurSonics]

On 4/25/2020 at 9:55 AM, aceinthehouse said:

Lol

I just realized something....

Richard Sherman & Trent Williams are teammates...🤓🤓🤓🤓

That's gonna end well...

This is actually a fun storyline. 

[Thaiphoon]

On 4/25/2020 at 1:42 PM, pwny said:

They’re not solely responsible. But they are responsible, and they failed their duty to the player completely and thoroughly.

Even if he didn’t go on his own, he absolutely has a right to be pissed off that a medical professional failed him for five and a half years. It’s one thing if they said “I don’t think it’s anything, but go see another doctor” and then never saw him again. But that isn’t the case at all. These doctors are in constant contact with the players, and nobody followed through to make sure that his health came first. 

All we have really is Trent's side of the story due to HIPAA laws. (*)

Know how we can know for sure? And independent examination of the issue (what the doctors saw, their recommendations, etc...)

Know who wants that review? The team.

Know who is against the review? Trent. 

That and a whole host of things point to this whole fiasco as a garden-variety contract dispute for more guaranteed $$ which was then wrapped up in a patina of "woe is me the Redskins misdiagnosed my cancer" smokescreen to make the holdout look principled. 

It wasn't principled. The sole responsibility for the player's health? Is the player himself.

The team doctors are orthopedists. Not oncologists. If they see something and say, "not sure, it's probably nothing, but get it checked out anyway" and the player doesn't. Guess what? That is the PLAYER'S responsibility to go seek a 2nd opinion (which he finally did).

@naptownskinsfan and @Woz know that at the same time this came out I also had a scare of a cyst on my scalp that could've killed me. And fortunately I wasn't a moron like Trent and waited 5 years to have a doctor look at it. I got a 2nd opinion within the week (which saved my life). If I can take responsibility for my own life/treatment, why can't Trent with all his millions??

And yeah, Brice screwed up by not trading him last offseason when he value was high. Brice Allen is the gift that keeps on taking.

So glad Trent is now off my team.

 

(*) BTW - and Trent's side still points to this being a grab for cash. Because he and his agent floated the contract extension (even though they had 2 years remaining) to the team before he suddenly started complaining about a "missed diagnosis of cancer". Then when he returned to the team, all he could talk about was how he doesn't "have any guaranteed money on my contract". 

[Thaiphoon]

On 4/25/2020 at 1:47 PM, pwny said:

Why did they not follow up with him to make sure he got it diagnosed by a specialist for five and a half years?

Is he a grown man or a 10 year old?

[Thaiphoon]

On 4/25/2020 at 1:52 PM, pwny said:

They can't force him, but their job as a team physician is to make sure that a player is in great health. Letting him pass physical after physical when there's maybe cancer on his head is a complete failure by the medical staff. Defending it is gross, my dude. 

Except all they see is a cyst. Which could happen as a result of the helmet rubbing the scalp. Many cancers aren't sitting there with a label of "I'm Cancer"

When you hear hooves you think horses, not zebras. 

Know how they can find out if that cyst was cancer? Yeah. If Trent actually takes their advice to go get an Oncologist to check it out.

He didn't. So as far as the medical staff is concerned, it was nothing.

This is completely Trent's fault for not taking ownership of his health.

 

[Thaiphoon]

On 4/25/2020 at 2:04 PM, GSUeagles14 said:

why would they?

 

Furthermore, Washington clearly made some mistakes but Williams comes out just as bad. The whole "i can trust you aymore UNLESS you give me more more, than were good" thing was awful.

Yup. That and Trent's refusal to allow an independent 3rd party to review that specific situation of his cyst on his scalp and the medical team's actions, screams that Trent has been lying about the real reason for his holdout all along.

[Thaiphoon]

On 4/25/2020 at 5:37 PM, Kiwibrown said:

There is a thing in health care called a referral. I am sure the good Dr could have figured out how to make one. 

Yes. And guess who is saying he wasn't referred? Trent. 

Know how we can find out if a referral was actually made? If Trent allows the independent review to happen. He refused to do so. 

Instead he slandered a team of medical professionals in pursuit of more guaranteed $

[Kiwibrown]

4 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

Yes. And guess who is saying he wasn't referred? Trent. 

Know how we can find out if a referral was actually made? If Trent allows the independent review to happen. He refused to do so. 

Instead he slandered a team of medical professionals in pursuit of more guaranteed $

It would be easy to leak that the referral happened? 

[Soko]

48 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

The sole responsibility for the player's health? Is the player himself.

Someone should probably stop paying these team doctors then. What good is a team doctor that has zero responsibility for the players on the team?

48 minutes ago, Thaiphoon said:

The team doctors are orthopedists. Not oncologists. If they see something and say, "not sure, it's probably nothing, but get it checked out anyway" and the player doesn't. Guess what? That is the PLAYER'S responsibility to go seek a 2nd opinion (which he finally did).

You’re not wrong in saying he should’ve went earlier, but there’s pretty big omission here. A doctor stating whether or not something is serious is a pretty heavy factor in how big of a priority this is going to be. 

[Nabbs4u]

So what was the highest deal the Redskins supposedly turned down last year when playing hard ball/calling his bluff?

Gotta love Danny's Stubborness. Sure am glad the Redskins weren't also picking 10th in this year draft because the Browns were the toast of the town ,SB Favorites and potential late 1st rd pick just wasn't good enough.🙏🙏

Edited April 28, 2020 by Nabbs4u

[N4L]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/27/49ers-played-4d-chess-to-land-trent-williams/

I know a lot of Redskins fans are saying the contract demands were the real underlying cause of why Trent left town. That doesn't seem to be the case, the bridge was burned, Williams wanted out and made demands for organizational change that he didn't expect to get. Once he got them (training staff fired etc) he then made up the contract demands because the bridge had already been burned and he wanted out no matter what. The demands came because he wanted out, he didn't want out because of his contract. It was never about money 

Bottom line is that it was the perfect storm for the 49ers and they played this beautifully. We convinced Tampa to move up for a player we didn't want, to have the capital to trade up for the WR we wanted. We waited for everyone else to add a T in a tackle heavy draft and that left us as the only show in town. Williams nuked his own trade value by asking for an absurd extension that no team would ever give him (now playing on a one year deal btw, which does carry risk for a guy with an injury history) and John lynch was able to sell the idea to Rivera, who doesn't give a F about whatever happened with Snyder and Mike Shanahan. Rivera was also promised that synder would let him make all football decisions. 

LIS, the niners played this perfectly, and Trent was completely on board with our master plan before he was technically allowed to be.