Trade Rumors and Discussion

[animaltested]

16 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

There is zero chance SEA's D can be rebuilt to the level that can overcome a rookie QB this year.   I rarely say zero, but the gap is that wide.      And let's keep in mind that there's no first round pick that is getting them an impact QB with 1 pick alone.  And using up multiple to get an unknown rookie QB...well, you see the fallacy.

All of what you say strategy-wise makes way more sense...for 2022.    As for Carroll's age - I pretty much don't see Carroll sees his clock as running out.  At 69, he'd probably tell you he's ready to coach for 5-6 more years without blinking.   A perfectly healthy 69 year old male is expected to live to age 89 in the US.  I can pretty much vouch for the idea that the concept of being old changes as you get older lol.

And remember - Carroll signed an extension to coach until 2025.....4 months ago.  So the premise he might be thinking about only doing it for 2-3 more years, seems extremely iffy.

Carroll is inked until 2025, Schneider is inked through the 2027 Draft.

I do think Seattle's FO is set up for one more reset - rebuild... starting in 2022. Seattle made the Super Bowl in 2014, four years after hitting the mega reset button in 2010 (broke the record for transaction in a season). Its one of the reason I do think Seattle COULD trade Russ... next year. Russ also has some escalators and bonuses coming due starting in 2023 which they might want to get out of.

Honestly, what Seattle does with Brown, Lockett, Dunlap, Reed, Adams, Diggs and Wagner's (all in the last year of their contract sans Wagner) contracts will be the tell of what Seattle's strategy is for 2022-2023. 

[SkippyX]

What Seattle did was a one time unrepeatable window.

• You don't get a Russell Wilson in round 3 without some luck.
• You don't get a Richard Sherman in round 5 without some luck.
• You don't get a Kam Chancellor in round 5 without some luck.

Brady was a great pick by NE but they picked someone else in round 6 before Brady.

• Good for them but it was 85% luck that no one else took him.

 

The Seahawks were so sure about their plan to get Wilson in round 3 and rule the world that they overpaid Matt Flynn.

• Its great that they drafted the LoB in rounds, 1(14), 5, 5, and Undrafted

What they tried to rebuild last year with 

• Two 1st round picks and a 3rd for a 4th, a waiver guy, a 4th rounder, and a 3rd rounder

Did they repeat that LoB? Any confidence they will next time?

[CP3MVP]

2 hours ago, Dr LBC said:

I actually explained that in the post you quoted.  Did you read it?

Yes, I would almost guarantee that given Lamar had a down season, particularly in comparison to his previous season having been an MVP campaign, that there were multiple calls trying to gauge his availability.  It's called due-diligence.  Even if it's a horribly low probability that he would be available, a team in need of a QB would still ask.  And it very likely would have been swept aside extraordinarily quickly.  But fans make way, way too many assumptions about how front offices operate.

As to why we wouldn't hear reports?  There's a myriad of reasons.  Most prominent were the one I covered in the last post - that if the question was asked and was laughed out of the buidling, it's a non-story that isn't going to draw eyes to the network/website and thereby not help out generating ad revenue (i.e. what most of these sports media companies care most about).  Another big reason it wouldn't make air-time is that it's not worth, to the reporting entity, imperiling the relationship with the team's front office (or their source within), as the team/coach/player very likely don't want to have to deal with the headache that could result from something which - barring a Godfather offer dipped in platinum and rolled in diamonds - would never happen.

Stop assuming that just because it's not discussed by the sports media doesn't mean it doesn't happen; that's the false premise they sell you to get you hooked on their heroin in order to be constantly going back for a fix (checking their site, their rumor mill... which is conveniently behind a pay-wall).

What are the teams and were are the reports? Why are we only hearing this about 4 notable QBs(Wentz/Watson/Stafford/Wilson) and 2 of the 4 got traded already? Where are the reports about the Bucs trying to trade Tom Brady if its all click bait trying start drama? Why aren’t the media started that rumour to get clicks? Because the Bucs aren’t trying to trade Tom Brady. 

Where there is smoke, there is fire 

Edited March 4, 2021 by CP3MVP

[animaltested]

26 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

What Seattle did was a one time unrepeatable window.

• You don't get a Russell Wilson in round 3 without some luck.
• You don't get a Richard Sherman in round 5 without some luck.
• You don't get a Kam Chancellor in round 5 without some luck.

Brady was a great pick by NE but they picked someone else in round 6 before Brady.

• Good for them but it was 85% luck that no one else took him.

 

The Seahawks were so sure about their plan to get Wilson in round 3 and rule the world that they overpaid Matt Flynn.

• Its great that they drafted the LoB in rounds, 1(14), 5, 5, and Undrafted

What they tried to rebuild last year with 

• Two 1st round picks and a 3rd for a 4th, a waiver guy, a 4th rounder, and a 3rd rounder

Did they repeat that LoB? Any confidence they will next time?

I am in NO WAY stating its remotely possible for them to do it again.

But trade Russ, you are doing it again. PCJS have the contracts that would allow for the timing for another rebuild. More than likely, Russ, John and Carroll are attached to the hip until 2025.

 

Edited March 4, 2021 by animaltested

[animaltested]

I hate the placement of the edit button

Edited March 4, 2021 by animaltested

[SalvadorsDeli]

31 minutes ago, CP3MVP said:

What are the teams and were are the reports? Why are we only hearing this about 4 notable QBs(Wentz/Watson/Stafford/Wilson) and 2 of the 4 got traded already? Where are the reports about the Bucs trying to trade Tom Brady if its all click bait trying start drama? Why aren’t the media started that rumour to get clicks? Because the Bucs aren’t trying to trade Tom Brady. 

Where there is smoke, there is fire 

Yeah as far as Russ is concerned it's basically indisputable at this point that there's something seriously amiss there. We're way past the point of anyone being able to credibly pretend it's just a media fantasy/creation. 

[jrry32]

Wussell wants a trade out of the division away from Aaron Donald. That's the motive behind this. 😉

[Broncofan]

1 hour ago, animaltested said:

Carroll is inked until 2025, Schneider is inked through the 2027 Draft.

I do think Seattle's FO is set up for one more reset - rebuild... starting in 2022. Seattle made the Super Bowl in 2014, four years after hitting the mega reset button in 2010 (broke the record for transaction in a season). Its one of the reason I do think Seattle COULD trade Russ... next year. Russ also has some escalators and bonuses coming due starting in 2023 which they might want to get out of.

Honestly, what Seattle does with Brown, Lockett, Dunlap, Reed, Adams, Diggs and Wagner's (all in the last year of their contract sans Wagner) contracts will be the tell of what Seattle's strategy is for 2022-2023. 

Yup, the way the team is set up contract wise and the pick capital they’ve used - it makes sense to think reload / rebuild in 2022 if it doesn’t work out as they’d hoped, but none to go that route a year early.   

[Dr LBC]

3 hours ago, Broncofan said:

NFL has a ways to go before we see that level of player empowerment.  The lack of guaranteed contracts, and the general difficulty in getting trades done, doesn't have the league there, or even that close.

Look at it the other way - Houston had to go to a collossal level of incompetence to push Watson to request a trade and play this level of hardball.   And Seattle's not even at that level with Wilson, despite at least 1 years of player recognition that the passing O is way too vanilla, and Pete Carroll's system of run-first doesn't leverage their O strengths well (both Lockett & Metcalf were outspoken this offseason, and Lockett commented on this at end of season last year).

The latest CBA revisions are going to make it harder for this to happen, too.   Remember, only Watson is asking for a trade now, and he was pushed by an extreme set of circumstances.    

And the diminutive size of teams in the NBA relative to the NFL is a factor I'm not sure the NFL will be able to overcome in terms of enacting such a player empowerment era.  Someone could make a case for a QB empowerment era, but even then, if one such were to occur it would have an very limited shelf-life as greed (I don't like calling it that, but it's liable to show its head even if it's not immediately applicable to players in this scenario) doesn't limit itself to solitary positions.  When you've got an NBA team where your average rotation is 12-14 guys per game (and that still feels high to me - there are a number of teams only utilizing a 10 or 11-man rotation), then it's a lot easier to find success with a de facto "stars and scrubs" kind of squad - or as seems to be the current vogue 2-3 superstar players, a 3rd or 4th player who is pulling down a max-contract that, likely, is overpaying what he's bringing relative to what other superstars are doing on maxes, but he's an asset of enough-scarcity that he justifies the overpayment, and then a slew of roleplayers.  Save on a very short-term basis that's not a formula that going to translate to championships in football.

Most people know this (whether they acknowledge it is another story).  Things just get way, way more complex and complicated when you're talking, conservatively (if we're counting starters and key backups), 25-30 players to comprise players seeing meaningful minutes, the lesser likelihood of a superstar or superstars to be able to translate to wins by themselves or their very presence (as is the case in the NBA) regardless of being affected by performance by their teammates, a hard cap versus a soft cap, etc.

[Dr LBC]

2 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

What are the teams and were are the reports? Why are we only hearing this about 4 notable QBs(Wentz/Watson/Stafford/Wilson) and 2 of the 4 got traded already? Where are the reports about the Bucs trying to trade Tom Brady if its all click bait trying start drama? Why aren’t the media started that rumour to get clicks? Because the Bucs aren’t trying to trade Tom Brady. 

Where there is smoke, there is fire 

You're clearly not reading.  You're skimming and waiting for your opportunity to speak.

Where are the stories about the bucks trying to trade Brady if it's all click-bait?  As has been stressed - TWICE - already, there is no point to throwing stories out there that no one will take seriously even for click-bait.  That's not even at Weekly World News level of tabloid journalism.  The media don't start the rumor because if/when they're shown to be completely full of it/ to have made it up, they lose credibility.

You're trying to infer causation from correlation that isn't universally applicable across all cases.  The Bucs not receiving calls about trading a 40-year-old QB with one year remaining on his contract does not equate to anything more than the Bucs (very likely) aren't receiving trade inquiries about Tom Brady and aren't interested in trading his (as, pretty much since the dawn of the league, the team that just won the championship the year prior isn't interested in trading it's QB and one of it's captains, particularly when they aren't under any sort of financial pressure to do so).  Nothing more.  Anything else is speculation.

[SkippyX]

4 hours ago, animaltested said:

I am in NO WAY stating its remotely possible for them to do it again.

But trade Russ, you are doing it again. PCJS have the contracts that would allow for the timing for another rebuild. More than likely, Russ, John and Carroll are attached to the hip until 2025.

 

Yeah, they are trying to do it again, but will fail miserably.

Look at their drafts since 2015 and you basically have 3 very good picks.

• Chris Carson in round 7
• DK Metcalf who people flagged medical because of his neck.
• Frank Clark who fell because other teams didn't want a scumbag that early
  • Same way KC got Tyreek Hill later

Clark and Metcalf were clear first round talents who dropped for legit reasons.

Now Schneider needs to find 10 more guys like them in order to win.

 

[brushmyhair]

Seattle needs to tell Russell that they will address the offensive line instead of being offended that he'd call them out for not addressing the line. Either address the line or trade Russell. The choice is clear. But if you trade Russell, No qb should ever want to play for Seattle as what they show by trading Russell is that they don't care about addressing their offensive line. 

[CP3MVP]

8 hours ago, Dr LBC said:

You're clearly not reading.  You're skimming and waiting for your opportunity to speak.

Where are the stories about the bucks trying to trade Brady if it's all click-bait?  As has been stressed - TWICE - already, there is no point to throwing stories out there that no one will take seriously even for click-bait.  That's not even at Weekly World News level of tabloid journalism.  The media don't start the rumor because if/when they're shown to be completely full of it/ to have made it up, they lose credibility.

You're trying to infer causation from correlation that isn't universally applicable across all cases.  The Bucs not receiving calls about trading a 40-year-old QB with one year remaining on his contract does not equate to anything more than the Bucs (very likely) aren't receiving trade inquiries about Tom Brady and aren't interested in trading his (as, pretty much since the dawn of the league, the team that just won the championship the year prior isn't interested in trading it's QB and one of it's captains, particularly when they aren't under any sort of financial pressure to do so).  Nothing more.  Anything else is speculation.

No one will take seriously because it’s not happening lol. Just like the lack of reports of teams calling in on Mahomes/Jackson etc. Your just making excuses why we aren’t hearing Rumors about other QBs and Not just Russell. The reason for this is Russell is unhappy in Seattle and teams know this, which is why they’re trying to trade for him. 

 

if you want to believe this is all made up click bait nonsense you can live in that delusion. 

Edited March 5, 2021 by CP3MVP

[CP3MVP]

10 hours ago, SalvadorsDeli said:

Yeah as far as Russ is concerned it's basically indisputable at this point that there's something seriously amiss there. We're way past the point of anyone being able to credibly pretend it's just a media fantasy/creation. 

It’s like 49ers fans who were in denial about the rift between Harbaugh and the organization or Patriots fans who were in denial about the Brady/Belichick beef.

[ET80]

12 hours ago, jrry32 said:

Wussell wants a trade out of the division away from Aaron Donald. That's the motive behind this. 😉

Nah, he only got to demanding the trade because JJ Watt was now in-division.

I mean, the REAL 99 is now in the building... why wouldn't Wilson want out? 😅