Apparition Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, rich homie said: Therein lies the irony. You can't have a 2007 Randy Moss season without your QB just mathematically having a 2007 Brady season, unless he literally doesn't throw it to anyone else on the team at all. If you take out Moss' stats (yeah yeah I know its stupid) then Brady's season that year is 3313 yards and 27 touchdowns. Replace Moss with say, Hines Ward, then you still "only" have a QB with 4045 yards and 34 touchdowns, which probably doesn't win him MVP (or maybe it would, way too many factors here like whether or not they still go 16-0 or whatever, but it would still be a very tight race between him, Romo, Manning and Favre that year). Overall point being, if you're a WR who puts up MVP caliber numbers, then almost by definition you will also be playing with a QB who puts up MVP numbers from the more important position. Unless your QB gets hurt midway through the season and you keep producing at the same rate with his backup. Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, rich homie said: Therein lies the irony. You can't have a 2007 Randy Moss season without your QB just mathematically having a 2007 Brady season, unless he literally doesn't throw it to anyone else on the team at all. If you take out Moss' stats (yeah yeah I know its stupid) then Brady's season that year is 3313 yards and 27 touchdowns. Replace Moss with say, Hines Ward, then you still "only" have a QB with 4045 yards and 34 touchdowns, which probably doesn't win him MVP (or maybe it would, way too many factors here like whether or not they still go 16-0 or whatever, but it would still be a very tight race between him, Romo, Manning and Favre that year). Overall point being, if you're a WR who puts up MVP caliber numbers, then almost by definition you will also be playing with a QB who puts up MVP numbers from the more important position. The problem is the bar needs to be moved for what we consider great QB seasons. Somebody on ESPN the other day said Derick Henry will not win MVP even with 2k yards because QB X is going to win MVP since he is going to throw for 40+ TDs and X amount of yards. There are multiple QBs nearly every year now with insane stats almost to the point where it's becoming normal. There are only a few players in history who have 2k rushing yards. IDK what Patrick Mahomes is doing with his numbers but it a RB does something only a few have done before him, they should win MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Joe_is_the_best said: Play a little QB on the side. Play QB a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Have a huge season, far and away better than any other wr in the league, have a qb that didn't really put up huge numbers overall (no other impressive weapons on the team or anything), or perhaps have multiple QBs playing significant games over the course of the season, AND have the team finish with a really good record, AND have no QBs put up a big season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 10 hours ago, Zalixar said: Throw for 50 touchdowns. ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 10 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said: However many receiving yards and TDs he'd have, his QB would have more. Is it possible for a WR to win season MVP? Maybe by putting up elite (like, best WR in the league elite) production with two or more different QBs in the same year AND if there were no particularly impressive QB candidates from elsewhere in the league? The only way I could see a WR winning MVP would be a case where his QB1 starts the first 6-10 weeks and then gets injured and QB2 comes in and the WR still puts up record breaking numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 If the quarterback had like a Jameis Winston type year (exceptional numbers, but high turnovers that nearly cost games), but with wins and one WR had exceptionally more yardage and touchdowns than the others -- and the other teams with winning records don't have someone threatening any records or whatever -- then maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I think AB had a legit shot at it in 2017 before he got hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 It happened once in my Madden game, in which a receiver put up something like 120+ catches, 2200+ yards, and like 31 TDs , and his main QB was hurt for several games, and he had huge games with the back up(think like 4 or 5 TDs in a game with his backup). In game no QB had over 40 TDs that year and the RBs were not great, so it went to him. It would take something like that to happen (the receiver also happened to be the best overall player in game with basically no weaknesses, an improved Randy Moss if you will) I think if you get a receiver that is overall more athletic than Moss with the skills of a Jerry Rice, as this guy is basically a 6 foot 5 215 lbs freak that is faster than anyone, can jump higher than anyone, and that basically can't be covered. Also having multiple QBs in his MVP season, while putting up a triple crown, and shattering records with 30+ TD catches and over 2000 yards, then it COULD happen, but it would require weak QB/RB play in the season, as well as a great team record. I think if he puts up all those stats, but has one great QB the entire season, then it likely goes to the QB or you have a 1987 case in which some random QB gets it because the receiver and his QB steal votes for each other (ala John Elway winning over Rice and Montana) The receiver would also have to be like the GOAT by far (talking Wayne Gretzky or like prime Tiger Woods level GOAT). Pretty much you need the receiver to be the far out best player in the game by far, while also having the luck of playing for 2 QBs in the season (due to injury or just weird stuff that goes on) and excelling with both QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 13 hours ago, incognito_man said: change positions to a valuable one Like OL? Offensive linemen are some of the most valuable players in the sport, yet they’ll never, ever, ever win MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Starless said: Unless your QB gets hurt midway through the season and you keep producing at the same rate with his backup. Yeah. So basically, the only way a receiver is getting MVP is if his team has two MVP caliber QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Triple Crown, for sure, probably a couple records or near records broken. A down year for QBs. An average season for running backs. Winning season. Having a great season as a WR doesn’t necessarily mean the QB is going to be in MVP consideration as well. People bringing up Moss seem to forget there was another WR on the team with nearly 150 targets, almost 1200 yards, and 112 catches. You’d need a Moss season from a TD standpoint, Megatron’s yardage, and MT’s absurd targets. Some stars would need aligning from a league standpoint, but you’d need a WR to have a ridiculous season. One we really haven’t seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Be an elite return man too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Yeah I agree with all. I feel like if we were saying "and he's done it with TWO quarterbacks this season" it would be the game changer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Have an All-Pro season as a receiver while also having a 1000 rushing yards, >5 rushing TDs, and a prolific kick or punt returning season with multiple touchdowns. So basically play like 3 or 4 positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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