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Xenos

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42 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

They are needed for some things. I don't agree this is one of them. If this becomes a "law" (as you note those are what you listed) then we have much, much bigger problems. 

I’m sorry but please explain to me how this isn’t one of them?

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BobbyPhil1781

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8 minutes ago, Xenos said:

I’m sorry but please explain to me how this isn’t one of them?

I don't think the government should be forcing people what to do here. You do. You seem to think the government has everyone's best interest at heart. I do not. It's ok to agree to disagree. 

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LETSGOBROWNIES

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13 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

I don't think the government should be forcing people what to do here. You do. You seem to think the government has everyone's best interest at heart. I do not. It's ok to agree to disagree. 

How about for things like schools, first responders, teachers, etc?

And what makes this different that the other vaccines you need for those things?

Legit asking.

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54 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

I don't think the government should be forcing people what to do here. You do. You seem to think the government has everyone's best interest at heart. I do not. It's ok to agree to disagree. 

It's not "the government" that you are so irrationally afraid of that is "forcing". The reality is that the most educated and knowledge people in the world universally agree that the best thing for humankind is to get everyone vaccinated ASAP. 

The only reason government has to get involved is because a large number of extremely suggestible Americans are irrationally loyal to one man embracing non-science because it's politically advantageous for him.

Literally, we have hundreds of thousands of people dying because undereducated suggestible people are in a positive feedback loop with a rich former politician and it's ruining our country.

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5 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

It's not "the government" that you are so irrationally afraid of that is "forcing". The reality is that the most educated and knowledge people in the world universally agree that the best thing for humankind is to get everyone vaccinated ASAP. 

The only reason government has to get involved is because a large number of extremely suggestible Americans are irrationally loyal to one man embracing non-science because it's politically advantageous for him.

Literally, we have hundreds of thousands of people dying because undereducated suggestible people are in a positive feedback loop with a rich former politician and it's ruining our country.

Which man?

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3 hours ago, pwny said:

I want to go back to this because it just seems incredible when this is the response to this.

I just want you to consider for just a moment what is being said by the other side, Buck.

Just for a moment, consider the idea that you're wrong. Just entertain the idea for a moment. Consider that:

  • COVID statistics are not being doctored
  • the entire medical system, spanning millions of people across political and national lines, isn't participating in a massive conspiracy with zero whistleblowers
  • the science around COVID, backed by the peer review process which we have used to verify every medical breakthrough literally ever, is sound and without bias
  • the 96% of physicians who have gotten the shot represents a consensus among the most educated within the medical community
  • the 207 million COVID deaths world wide are not over reported.
  • the 4.36 million reported COVID deaths are actually real
  • the millions of those now suffering from long COVID are real, true cases
  • Bill Gates would not go on a global platform to tell people he wants to murder millions of people, and then agree to post it to YouTube right before he planned to actually enact his super secret plan that you aren't supposed to be able to figure out
  • 4chan, which prior to Q was best well known as a hotbed of internet trolls most well known for distributing child porn and doxxing teenagers to the point that they committed suicide, is making up stuff
  • maybe, just maybe, the idea that all humans carry to want to be special and a part of something bigger than us has allowed a large segment of the population to be duped by a lie that the entire world is out to get us and only they know the truth
  • not getting vaccinated is allowing the virus to stick around, mutate, and become more and more deadly to our at risk populations

Just ponder that idea for just a moment. Consider that you're on the other side of this, and you're seeing someone continuing to disseminate lies and misinformation that is contributing to the ever growing death totals when simply doing the opposite and trusting the medical consensus would halt these deaths in their tracks, and by which the misinformation is literally getting people to murder members of their own family. 

Just ponder that for a bit, and ask yourself if "Good grief. Let's just watch the game" is even close to an appropriate response to someone being upset that you're doing all of this.

We can respectfully disagree when we're talking about best practices for policy enacting to curb the spread of this deadly disease. We can respectfully disagree when talking about how to get vaccines into specific communities or when to lift mask mandates, or which places are appropriate for *vaccine passports*. We can't respectfully disagree when one side is saying "please stop doing things that are killing hundreds of thousands of Americans and millions of people world-wide" and the other side is saying "those deaths aren't real, and this whole thing is a hoax that millions of people are in on."

I actually asked you pretty much the same question and didn't receive a response. 

In any case, I will answer the question for you.  My answer is that I'm more than willing to admit that I could be wrong in some or maybe even all of my thinking on this subject.  At this point, however, I do not think I am.  For that reason, the burden is on people on the other side of things to present their information, which I will say that you have done on a few occasions here, and I respect that. 

Having said that, I am more than willing to hear what you and others have to say on the matter.  I don't have a problem with another man or woman presenting information that they believe in and then at least giving them the respect of thinking about it myself and making a judgement of my own.

The problem I feel like I'm running into is that I haven't really even presented my case in this thread.  I know you think you have me pegged, and you know exactly what I believe.  While that is possibly true to an extent, so far, I have just brushed some very broad strokes just to let you know the direction from which I am coming. 

 

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DontTazeMeBro

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28 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

The only reason government has to get involved is because a large number of extremely suggestible Americans are irrationally loyal to one man embracing non-science because it's politically advantageous for him.

Would that one man be the one who touts fast tracking the vaccine as one of his biggest accomplishments?

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1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

I don't think the government should be forcing people what to do here. You do. You seem to think the government has everyone's best interest at heart. I do not. It's ok to agree to disagree. 

And it’s this line of ridiculous thinking that got us to where we are now. If people would just get the vaccine when they had the chance, it wouldn’t be coming to mandates and passports. This isn’t about the government wanting what’s best for us. It’s just common sense at this point.

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1 minute ago, DontTazeMeBro said:

Would that one man be the one who touts fast tracking the vaccine as one of his biggest accomplishments?

Jesus Christ why am I playing this game right now? We all know who you’re talking about and that’s a completely stupid thing to say because like I said, he touts it as one of his biggest accomplishments and has never encouraged us to not get vaccinated.

And if you look at ethnic vaccination rates, it blows to **** the idea that it’s just his supporters. You know. Unless almost an entire race lied about not voting for him.

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18 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said:

Jesus Christ why am I playing this game right now? We all know who you’re talking about and that’s a completely stupid thing to say because like I said, he touts it as one of his biggest accomplishments and has never encouraged us to not get vaccinated.

And if you look at ethnic vaccination rates, it blows to **** the idea that it’s just his supporters. You know. Unless almost an entire race lied about not voting for him.

Yes, you’re right and I agree completely. It is an incredibly stupid thing for you to say 😂

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19 minutes ago, DontTazeMeBro said:

Jesus Christ why am I playing this game right now? We all know who you’re talking about and that’s a completely stupid thing to say because like I said, he touts it as one of his biggest accomplishments and has never encouraged us to not get vaccinated.

And if you look at ethnic vaccination rates, it blows to **** the idea that it’s just his supporters. You know. Unless almost an entire race lied about not voting for him.

Yeah that’s the one I was thinking he was talking about, but it didn’t make much sense.

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