Chili Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 Throughout the draft process Musgrave has been a nagging subliminal thought at the back of my mind. I thought his tape was mediocre but then I saw his RAS and I was like "yep! lol" 😆 Watched Kincaid...Musgrave was still hovering at the back of my mind Watched Meyer....Musgrave again, just wont go away Watched Washington....uber athletic but the Packers would surely choose an athletic pass catcher over an athletic blocker...Musgrave. Watched LaPorta...moved well like Musgrave but there's that pesky RAS again. The whole time my gut was telling me we would draft Musgrave. I ignored it. Funnily enough my gut was telling me we would draft Kraft...I believed it. He always fell to the Packers in the 3rd round of all the online mock drafts I did and sure enough he fell to the 3rd round to the Packers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Rep from Musgrave at the Senior Bowl against Jay Ward (drafted 4th round by Vikings). EZ separation here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Rep from Musgrave at the Senior Bowl against Jay Ward (drafted 4th round by Vikings). EZ separation here. Vikings got RAS'd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Got to love that size and speed. Hopefully he can learn to secure that ball with one arm, and use the other arm as a weapon. A man that big should be difficult to tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 6 hours ago, packfanfb said: Rep from Musgrave at the Senior Bowl against Jay Ward (drafted 4th round by Vikings). EZ separation here. What I've liked about Musgrave through this process is how he adjusts to underthrown balls and still makes the catch despite defenders threatening to tee off against him. Imagine him with an NFL QB who knows how to hit him in stride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattlipp Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) On 5/1/2023 at 8:59 AM, craig said: If so, I don't think that was wise. Seemed certain we'd not use a 13/15 on TE, so 2nd round in the 40's was our earliest TE slot. Pretty safe that Mayer or Kincaid wouldn't still be there at 43.  DraftNetwork actually had Musgrave as their highest-rated TE. Even so, they wrote "Musgrave is not a uber-hysical blocker-do not expect him to displace defenders. Also, he attempted to engage blocks with high hips and pad level. This limits his overall effectiveness as a man or gap scheme run blocker." My point being that even a scouting group that liked him a lot, they still didn't profile him as a physical/gritty/blocker type. On the TE continuum, he profiled more Tonyan than Mercedes, more on the long/lean receiver side than the o-lineman side of the TE continuum. Obviously Musgrave profiles as much faster than the NFL-version of Tonyan, but both have physiques not naturally oriented towards low pad level.  Personally, I'm a believe that SB-caliber teams always have good passing games, and that while running a lot can work great against vulnerable defenses, that it often doesn't work that great against playoff-caliber defenses. So I philosophically support wanting to improve the passing game, a lot. And I always believe that having pass-catchers who defenses fear often does more for your running game than a no-threat blocking TE. So I admit I kinda like them having gone with a passing-oriented, vertically-capable guy like Musgrave. Hope he works out.  As a blocker, I think Kraft should be very physical and could be really good, and has a good chance to be a very good all-around TE, even if perhaps not the vertical threat that Musgrave may become. So I kinda love the combination of the two guys. I could imagine a lot of future two-TE sets with both guys doing well. And it's not like Musgrave isn't big enough, smart enough, or willing enough to add some strength and to want to improve himself as a blocker.  Tonyan ran a 4.58, slightly faster than Luke , but 15 lbs lighter. Edited May 3, 2023 by fattlipp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 On 5/1/2023 at 2:12 PM, Chili said: Throughout the draft process Musgrave has been a nagging subliminal thought at the back of my mind. I thought his tape was mediocre but then I saw his RAS and I was like "yep! lol" 😆 Watched Kincaid...Musgrave was still hovering at the back of my mind Watched Meyer....Musgrave again, just wont go away Watched Washington....uber athletic but the Packers would surely choose an athletic pass catcher over an athletic blocker...Musgrave. Watched LaPorta...moved well like Musgrave but there's that pesky RAS again. The whole time my gut was telling me we would draft Musgrave. I ignored it. Funnily enough my gut was telling me we would draft Kraft...I believed it. He always fell to the Packers in the 3rd round of all the online mock drafts I did and sure enough he fell to the 3rd round to the Packers. My gut said Musgrave was going to be the early TE too. I was more interested in all the other TEs that I had a moment where I was like… it’s going to be Musgrave because he is the one I’m not interested in watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 hours ago, incognito_man said: Vikings got RAS'd A lot of packers offense reps vs Vikings defenders. Packers keep winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persiandud Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 special athlete, which is great for this position when i watch the tape, those special traits are apparent, but he's soft. hopefully spending a lot of time with Kraft will bring out the dawg in him i love the potential of adding him to this offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 8 hours ago, fattlipp said: Tonyan ran a 4.58, slightly faster than Luke , but 15 lbs lighter. Interesting. I think by the time Tonyan started to play, though, he'd added a lot of weight and slowed down. The Spriggs factor. Bobby sure wasn't running 4.58 this year, that's for sure; nor even before the injury last year .  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 16 hours ago, packfanfb said: Rep from Musgrave at the Senior Bowl against Jay Ward (drafted 4th round by Vikings). EZ separation here. He's a rookie. So he's getting called for the push off on that play.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Sandy said: Â Imagine him with an NFL QB who knows how to hit him in stride. We may never know, we traded that QB, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, vegas492 said: He's a rookie. So he's getting called for the push off on that play.  Nah, every TE in football does that on every route they run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, packfanfb said: Nah, every TE in football does that on every route they run. A rookie does that to a veteran like Harrison Smith and it gets called. Kelce does it to anyone in the league and it isn't called. Musgrave's arm is too long and it was too easy to see that push.  He will learn how to do that and not make it so obvious. As in no extension needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/motivated-musgrave-was-man-amongst-boys-in-2022 College coach talking up Musgrave. As positive about his potential and desire as a blocker as about everything else.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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