vikesfan89 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Kirk and hunter aren't guaranteed to be 3rd round picks right? If hunter got hurt early on in the season couldn't it turn into a 4th rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, SemperFeist said: If you think Griffin was signed as a depth CB, you’re not paying attention. He's not guaranteed a starting position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, SteelKing728 said: He's not guaranteed a starting position. And if he doesn't earn a starting spot the team can cut him, so he doesn't count in the compensatory formula. Of course, the team would be out the guaranteed money they gave him at that point. Sometimes that is the cost of doing business. If they have better players at the position, the sunk cost shouldn't influence their decision on whether he is worth keeping at that point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 You don't sign a CB in basically the first wave (although it was the latter part of the wave) only to cut him later. He's going to be on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 35 minutes ago, swede700 said: You don't sign a CB in basically the first wave (although it was the latter part of the wave) only to cut him later. He's going to be on the team. Cutting him wouldn't be the plan when they signed him. But the plan was also not for him to be a backup. As long as he is holding onto a starting job and the team is remaining competitive enough to be focused on the current year there aren't many reasons to change the plan they had when they signed him. The best leaders don't let history that they cannot change influence them while making decisions for the future. They make the decision that they believe will lead to the best future outcome. They should learn from previous mistakes; they don't compound them by digging a deeper hole. We don't know that KAM is a quality decision maker, but I am still going to give him the benefit of the doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 The overvaluation of compensatory picks is mind boggling. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 40 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: The overvaluation of compensatory picks is mind boggling. Truth. We're talking about 4th round picks essentially.....20% of 4th round picks become starters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 59 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: Truth. We're talking about 4th round picks essentially.....20% of 4th round picks become starters. And even fewer become quality starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: Truth. We're talking about 4th round picks essentially.....20% of 4th round picks become starters. Shoot, the overvaluation of draft picks in general is ridiculous. The success rate of 1st round picks is under 50%. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjfja_fkdldjs Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 10 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: Truth. We're talking about 4th round picks essentially.....20% of 4th round picks become starters. This is why you need 5 of them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 14 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Shoot, the overvaluation of draft picks in general is ridiculous. The success rate of 1st round picks is under 50%. I'll never understand why good teams don't trade picks for current players, especially a guy like Hunter at the deadline..... Especially with the ever increasing cap.... You never know if you'll be great again, other than a few teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 12 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I'll never understand why good teams don't trade picks for current players, especially a guy like Hunter at the deadline..... Especially with the ever increasing cap.... You never know if you'll be great again, other than a few teams. We were not interested in moving Hunter at the deadline. On top of that his no trade close semi complicated it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 14 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Shoot, the overvaluation of draft picks in general is ridiculous. The success rate of 1st round picks is under 50%. A guy did a study from 1996 to 2016 draft picks in the NFL. And of course it is not great especially if one is looking at Hall of Fame type players. "16.7% didn’t play for the team that drafted them 37% were considered useless. They either didn’t play much or didn’t make the team. 15.3% were considered poor. Had limited playing time and didn’t do well in the time they had. 10.5% were considered average. These are mediocre players that had starts or significant contributions over 2-3 years. 12.3% were considered good. These could be mediocre or average players that were multi-year starters, Pat Elflein or Christian Ponder for example, or perhaps some genuinely good players that didn’t last all that long for the team that drafted them- Sidney Rice for example. This is where the AV metric can over-rate a player based on the number of starts, rather than their performance while on the field. 6.9% were considered Great. This category is the first that includes undeniably good draft picks. In order to be considered great, they would’ve had to play for the team that drafted them into a second contract, and also performed well over those years. 1% were considered legendary. These are future Hall of Famers, multi-year All-Pros among the best in the league for most of their relatively long careers. And so only about 8% of draft picks are players that really make much of a difference beyond replacement value, and only about 30% see much playing time or make a significant contribution to the team." https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/4/26/23042105/nfl-draft-pick-bust-rate-remains-very-high A little deceptive if they are only considered "great" if they sign a 2nd contract with the team, clearly not a ton of teams do that and does not mean the player is no great because of it, but still pretty nuts. It is the easiest way to improve a roster though and the cheapest, but yeah you have to hit on those picks. 8 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I'll never understand why good teams don't trade picks for current players, especially a guy like Hunter at the deadline..... Especially with the ever increasing cap.... You never know if you'll be great again, other than a few teams. That is true, and it is nuts how good players can be traded away for so little in terms of draft picks just because the team does not want to pay their future contract or current one and want compensation instead of just letting them walk. Is kind of a win win but is odd to get so little for a proven player, only chance of getting a decent amount back is at QB and even then unless they are elite it is still very little. Like the Titans, they only gave up basically a 3rd rounder and just switched 7th round picks with the Chiefs to get an All Pro CB in Sneed. 49ers got Maliek Collins for a 7th round pick, Texans got Joe Mixon for a 7th round pick etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Depending on if we have “found” our QBOTF, 2025 is the year to compete, we’ll have cap space and mostly a team the could do well. I’d say that would be an opportune time to move late picks for veterans (assuming the QB is good/developing). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 16 minutes ago, CriminalMind said: We were not interested in moving Hunter at the deadline. On top of that his no trade close semi complicated it. It's an example.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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