Toddfather Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) I live in the Tampa Bay area. It's cool to see them pull this off, and I have a lot of happy friends. That being said they were pretty miserable from 2003 until Brady arrived. You have to give the team credit, because they did hit on great draft picks, and they put together a great team that is motivated. I just don't think it's the recipe to run a franchise. I wouldn't want to go through all those losing seasons, and then deal with the band wagon people. I do however like what Gute has done. I feel like this is more "all in" then we have been since Wolf was GM. That's just my preference though. Edited October 4, 2021 by Toddfather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 9/30/2021 at 9:53 AM, Outpost31 said: You’re forgetting a couple things. First, the Chiefs are last in the NFL in points allowed. Second, the draft capital dilemma presents itself here. They’ve had low end first round picks in each of the last 3 years. Draft capital as it relates to Super Bowl wins is one thing nobody can argue with. The Buccaneers don’t win last year if they weren’t in position to get a franchise LT and Winfield. We went Love and Dillon. That was the difference. To be fair... TB wouldn’t get Winfield if someone else was GM in GB haha. I mentioned early in the process I would draft Winfield at the end of the first if I was GB haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Striker said: The last two Super Bowl winning teams that Brady has played on has allowed a COMBINED total of 12 points. Against the #2 and #3 DVOA offenses. Makes life pretty easy when you barely have to muster offense to win. Yes, I know they dropped 31 on Kansas City, but even then they could just grind it out thanks to a huge TOP advantage and a hilariously short field (I forgot the KC punter had two punts that went less than 30 yards) on their second TD. Preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifeelasleep Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Striker said: Brady is one of the best, but he's also one of the, if not THE, luckiest of all time (and people should be more willing to acknowledge the significant factor that luck plays in a career...especially when it comes to sports with single elimination playoff formats like the NFL). even if he is the luckiest, he has taken advantage of every opportunity and beaten most teams he has to beat, cant fault him for what he cant control. Luck plays a significant factor, but im sure there's times where he got unlucky we cant remember because he won anyway. Edited October 4, 2021 by ifeelasleep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, ifeelasleep said: even if he is the luckiest, he has taken advantage of every opportunity and beaten most teams he has to beat, cant fault him for what he cant control. Luck plays a significant factor, but im sure there's times where he got unlucky we cant remember because he won anyway. Eventually after playing this long, we have to realize luck isn't a thing he always gets, it's just what we always find now to explain it all. And I hate Brady more than anyone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, Norm said: Eventually after playing this long, we have to realize luck isn't a thing he always gets, it's just what we always find now to explain it all. And I hate Brady more than anyone Perhaps "luck" isn't the best descriptor, but he's been "blessed" to play his career with the GOAT coach (who also happens to be a defensive guru) who built incredible defenses throughout his entire career. Fortuitous, Lucky, Blessed, Serendipitous, Opportune, Charmed - whatever adjective is selected represents the truth that, although Tom Brady is a skilled QB, he has been disproportionately [insert adjective here] to have been in the situation he was/is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifeelasleep Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) yeah but pretty much every succesful person on earth has that happen for them, not just in football, you can discredit anyone that way things are never independent of their environment. Bellichick is the best i agree, but i think most HOF QBs wouldnt have achieved what he has in his situation, maybe only the top 5. all conjecture anyways. Edited October 4, 2021 by ifeelasleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Perhaps "luck" isn't the best descriptor, but he's been "blessed" to play his career with the GOAT coach (who also happens to be a defensive guru) who built incredible defenses throughout his entire career. Fortuitous, Lucky, Blessed, Serendipitous, Opportune, Charmed - whatever adjective is selected represents the truth that, although Tom Brady is a skilled QB, he has been disproportionately [insert adjective here] to have been in the situation he was/is. For sure. And he's clearly on some sort of PEDs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, ifeelasleep said: yeah but pretty much every succesful person on earth has that happen for them, not just in football, you can discredit anyone that way things are never independent of their environment. Bellichick is the best i agree, but i think most HOF QBs wouldnt have achieved what he has in his situation, maybe only the top 5. all conjecture anyways. Yes, success is when preparation meets opportunity. Brady has does very well with the latter and is unique in that he's allowed for team construction to set his club(s) even further above expectations because of his financial situation as well. Perfect storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Brady is easily the most successful QB of the modern era (probably any era), and his wife is on the short list of GOAT supermodels. If that doesn't qualify him as the luckiest SOB of all time, it sure puts him in the conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persiandud Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 His wife looks like a man don't @ me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo972 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, persiandud said: His wife looks like a man don't @ me @persiandud 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifeelasleep Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 lolwut shes a dime anywhere, in any era 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persiandud Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, ifeelasleep said: lolwut shes a dime anywhere, in any era Overrated model just like her husband is an overrated QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 8 hours ago, persiandud said: His wife looks like a man don't @ me I actually kinda agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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