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17 hours ago, bigjohnson2009 said:

Bumping this because more people want to talk about how being a top RB as a rookie is comparable to being a top QB as a rookie.

Except Baker wasn't a top QB as a rookie, he was a middle of the road QB.

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14 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

All three are deserving and it all depends on how the committee views the award.

Stats: Barkley

Impact: Baker

Snap by snap grade: Nelson

 

I'd honestly probably give the award to the best statistical rookie (Saquon), but that's because that's how I understand the award to be. The award SHOULD be the most impactful rookie, which would be a landslide victory for Baker.

I would give it to who is the best at their position amongst Rookie's. Either Nelson or Barkley for me.

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Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards?  If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops

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20 minutes ago, Gmen said:

Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards?  If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops

I smell fear.

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1 hour ago, Gmen said:

Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards?  If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops

It is and this is how they voted.

 

OFFENSE 

Quarterback 

 

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City, 45; Drew Brees, New Orleans, 5.

Running Backs 

 

Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 25; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 15; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 9; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 1.

Tight End 

 

Travis Kelce, Kansas City, 21; George Kittle, San Francisco, 18½; Zach Ertz, Philadelphia, 10½.

Wide Receivers 

 

DeAndre Hopkins, Houston, 46; Michael Thomas, New Orleans, 21; Julio Jones, Atlanta, 17; Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 6; Davante Adams, Green Bay, 4; Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh, 2; Adam Thielen, Minnesota, 2; Mike Evans, Tampa Bay, 1; JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pittsburgh, 1.

Flex 

 

Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 22; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 8; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 6; Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 4; Alvin Kamara, New Orleans, 2; DeAndre Hopkins, Houston, 2; Michael Thomas, New Orleans, 2; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 2; Brandin Cooks, Los Angeles Rams, 1; Kyle Juszczyk, San Francisco, 1.

Center 

 

Jason Kelce, Philadelphia, 28; Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh, 10; Cody Whitehair Chicago, 3; Max Unger, New Orleans, 3; Mike Pouncey, Los Angeles Chargers, 2; Alex Mack, Atlanta, 2; Rodney Hudson, Oakland, 2.

Left Tackle 

 

David Bakhtiari, Green Bay, 19; Terron Armstead, New Orleans, 7; Duane Brown, Seattle, 7; Andrew Whitworth, Los Angeles Rams, 6; Taylor Lewan, Tennessee, 4; Tyron Smith, Dallas, 4; Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore, 2; Alejandro Villanueva, Pittsburgh, 1.

Left Guards 

 

Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis, 31; Joel Bitonio, Cleveland, 12; Rodger Saffold, Los Angeles Rams, 2; Joe Thuney, New England, 2; David DeCastro, Pittsburgh, 2; Andrus Peat, New Orleans, 1.

Right Tackle 

 

Mitchell Schwartz, Kansas City, 26; Ryan Ramczyk, New Orleans, 16; Lane Johnson, Philadelphia, 5; Rob Havenstein, Los Angeles Rams, 3.

Right Guard 

 

Zack Martin, Dallas, 23; Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 14; David DeCastro, Pittsburgh, 7; Shaq Mason, New England, 4; Brandon Brooks, Philadelphia, 2.

DEFENSE 

Edge Rushers 

 

Khalil Mack, Chicago, 43; J.J. Watt, Houston, 32; Von Miller, Denver, 12; Cameron Jordan, New Orleans, 3; Danielle Hunter, Minnesota, 3; Myles Garrett, Cleveland, 3; Demarcus Lawrence, Dallas, 2; Dee Ford, Kansas City, 1; Jadeveon Clowney, Houston, 1.

Interior Linemen 

 

Aaron Donald, Los Angeles Rams, 50; Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 19; Chris Jones, Kansas City, 14; J.J. Watt, Houston, 10; Akiem Hicks, Chicago, 4; DeForest Buckner, San Francisco, 2, Jurrell Casey, Tennessee, 1.

Linebackers 

 

Bobby Wagner, Seattle, 49; Luke Kuechly, Carolina, 33; Darius Leonard, Indianapolis, 31; Leighton Vander Esch, Dallas, 13; Von Miller, Denver, 7; C.J. Mosley, Baltimore, 6; Khalil Mack, Chicago, 4; Jaylon Smith, Dallas, 2; Danny Trevathan, Chicago, 1; Anthony Barr, Minnesota, 1; Bernardrick McKinney, Houston, 1; Eric Kendricks, Minnesota, 1; Roquan Smith, Chicago, 1.

Cornerbacks 

 

Kyle Fuller, Chicago, 27; Stephon Gilmore, New England, 26; Byron Jones, Dallas, 17; Xavien Howard, Miami, 12; Patrick Peterson, Arizona, 9; Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville, 4; Marshon Lattimore, New Orleans, 3; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 2.

Safeties 

 

Eddie Jackson, Chicago, 37; Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers, 27; Jamal Adams, New York Jets, 24; Harrison Smith, Minnesota, 6; Kevin Byard, Tennessee, 3; Eric Weddle, Baltimore, 2; Malcolm Jenkins, Philadelphia, 1.

Defensive Back 

Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 16; Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers, 5; Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4; Bryce Callahan, Chicago, 4; Eddie Jackson, Chicago, 3; Byron Jones, Dallas, 3; Kareem Jackson, Houston, 3; Kyle Fuller, Chicago, 2; Minkah Fitzpatrick, Miami, 2; Jamal Adams, New York Jets, 2; Tyrann Mathieu, Houston, 2; Jaire Alexander, Green Bay, 1; Stephon Gilmore, New England, 1; Kevin Byard, Tennessee, 1; Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville, 1.

SPECIAL TEAMS 

Placekicker 

Justin Tucker, Baltimore, 23; Aldrick Rosas, New York Giants, 14; Robbie Gould, San Francisco, 6; Jason Myers, New York Jets, 4; Wil Lutz, New Orleans, 2; Ka’imi Fairbairn, Houston, 1.

Punter 

Michael Dickson, Seattle, 18; Johnny Hekker, Los Angeles Rams, 10; Brett Kern, Tennessee, 9; Thomas Morstead, New Orleans, 5; Andy Lee, Arizona, 5; Tress Way, Washington, 3.

Kick Returner 

Andre Roberts, New York Jets, 45; Cordarrelle Patterson, New England, 2; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 1; Alex Erickson, Cincinnati, 1; Darius Jennings, Tennessee, 1.

Punt Returner 

Tarik Cohen, Chicago, 19; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 12; Andre Roberts, New York Jets, 11; Dwayne Harris, Oakland, 6, Jakeem Grant, Miami, 2.

Special Teamer 

Adrian Phillips, Los Angeles Chargers, 16; Cory Littleton, Los Angeles Rams, 15; Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 6; Dwayne Harris, Oakland, 6; Matthew Slater, New England, 4; Albert McClellan, New England, 1; Johnson Bademosi, Houston, 1; Kevin Pierre-Louis, New York Jets, 1.

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13 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said:

It is and this is how they voted.

Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 25; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 15; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 9; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 1.

Yea.  You see they gave the best running back in the league only 9 votes.

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On 1/18/2019 at 2:22 AM, Nex_Gen said:

I love me some Baker but the only leg up he has in this race is that he plays the most important position in football. The unquestioned OROY should be Barkley. It would be a cop out if he doesnt get it, given he's already a top 5 player at his position.

Its not just his position, but moreso that Barkely plays RB. A position that has become less and less valuable because of its rotating door of success. The Giants had a full season of Barkley this year and 12 games of OBJ being back and went from 3 wins to 5 wins. Baker resulted in 7 wins in large part because of him and if he would have started the whole year, the Browns would have won 8 or 9 games.

I understand the production argument might favor Barkley, but to dismiss the 'Well its only because he plays QB" side of the story is silly. Its the most important and hardest position in all of sports. Thats why there are only 12-15 guys on the planet that can do it at a high level to directly impact teams W/L record every game.

If its close (which it is) then because 1 plays QB and with more team success and 1 plays RB and less team success is a perfectly legitimate tie breaker.

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3 hours ago, Gmen said:

Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards?  If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops

See the post from @Thomas5737 on page 36 where they break down the 2017 voters.

Its a much better group then say 10 years ago

Its a solid group of 49 writers and 1 plagiarist/troll/catfish victim (Borges)

It includes 9 former players and 1 GM

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4 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said:

Put down the peace pipe, it a laced with stupid. 

Baker is already better than Dak. 

Better passer, better in the pocket. As good a leader, worse running the ball.

He's just trolling at this point.

Or at least I hope.

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