NudeTayne Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 17 hours ago, bigjohnson2009 said: Bumping this because more people want to talk about how being a top RB as a rookie is comparable to being a top QB as a rookie. Except Baker wasn't a top QB as a rookie, he was a middle of the road QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 14 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: All three are deserving and it all depends on how the committee views the award. Stats: Barkley Impact: Baker Snap by snap grade: Nelson I'd honestly probably give the award to the best statistical rookie (Saquon), but that's because that's how I understand the award to be. The award SHOULD be the most impactful rookie, which would be a landslide victory for Baker. I would give it to who is the best at their position amongst Rookie's. Either Nelson or Barkley for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards? If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Gmen said: Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards? If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops I smell fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Gmen said: Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards? If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops It is and this is how they voted. OFFENSE Quarterback Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City, 45; Drew Brees, New Orleans, 5. Running Backs Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 25; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 15; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 9; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 1. Tight End Travis Kelce, Kansas City, 21; George Kittle, San Francisco, 18½; Zach Ertz, Philadelphia, 10½. Wide Receivers DeAndre Hopkins, Houston, 46; Michael Thomas, New Orleans, 21; Julio Jones, Atlanta, 17; Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 6; Davante Adams, Green Bay, 4; Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh, 2; Adam Thielen, Minnesota, 2; Mike Evans, Tampa Bay, 1; JuJu Smith-Schuster, Pittsburgh, 1. Flex Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 22; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 8; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 6; Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 4; Alvin Kamara, New Orleans, 2; DeAndre Hopkins, Houston, 2; Michael Thomas, New Orleans, 2; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 2; Brandin Cooks, Los Angeles Rams, 1; Kyle Juszczyk, San Francisco, 1. Center Jason Kelce, Philadelphia, 28; Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh, 10; Cody Whitehair Chicago, 3; Max Unger, New Orleans, 3; Mike Pouncey, Los Angeles Chargers, 2; Alex Mack, Atlanta, 2; Rodney Hudson, Oakland, 2. Left Tackle David Bakhtiari, Green Bay, 19; Terron Armstead, New Orleans, 7; Duane Brown, Seattle, 7; Andrew Whitworth, Los Angeles Rams, 6; Taylor Lewan, Tennessee, 4; Tyron Smith, Dallas, 4; Ronnie Stanley, Baltimore, 2; Alejandro Villanueva, Pittsburgh, 1. Left Guards Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis, 31; Joel Bitonio, Cleveland, 12; Rodger Saffold, Los Angeles Rams, 2; Joe Thuney, New England, 2; David DeCastro, Pittsburgh, 2; Andrus Peat, New Orleans, 1. Right Tackle Mitchell Schwartz, Kansas City, 26; Ryan Ramczyk, New Orleans, 16; Lane Johnson, Philadelphia, 5; Rob Havenstein, Los Angeles Rams, 3. Right Guard Zack Martin, Dallas, 23; Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 14; David DeCastro, Pittsburgh, 7; Shaq Mason, New England, 4; Brandon Brooks, Philadelphia, 2. DEFENSE Edge Rushers Khalil Mack, Chicago, 43; J.J. Watt, Houston, 32; Von Miller, Denver, 12; Cameron Jordan, New Orleans, 3; Danielle Hunter, Minnesota, 3; Myles Garrett, Cleveland, 3; Demarcus Lawrence, Dallas, 2; Dee Ford, Kansas City, 1; Jadeveon Clowney, Houston, 1. Interior Linemen Aaron Donald, Los Angeles Rams, 50; Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 19; Chris Jones, Kansas City, 14; J.J. Watt, Houston, 10; Akiem Hicks, Chicago, 4; DeForest Buckner, San Francisco, 2, Jurrell Casey, Tennessee, 1. Linebackers Bobby Wagner, Seattle, 49; Luke Kuechly, Carolina, 33; Darius Leonard, Indianapolis, 31; Leighton Vander Esch, Dallas, 13; Von Miller, Denver, 7; C.J. Mosley, Baltimore, 6; Khalil Mack, Chicago, 4; Jaylon Smith, Dallas, 2; Danny Trevathan, Chicago, 1; Anthony Barr, Minnesota, 1; Bernardrick McKinney, Houston, 1; Eric Kendricks, Minnesota, 1; Roquan Smith, Chicago, 1. Cornerbacks Kyle Fuller, Chicago, 27; Stephon Gilmore, New England, 26; Byron Jones, Dallas, 17; Xavien Howard, Miami, 12; Patrick Peterson, Arizona, 9; Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville, 4; Marshon Lattimore, New Orleans, 3; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 2. Safeties Eddie Jackson, Chicago, 37; Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers, 27; Jamal Adams, New York Jets, 24; Harrison Smith, Minnesota, 6; Kevin Byard, Tennessee, 3; Eric Weddle, Baltimore, 2; Malcolm Jenkins, Philadelphia, 1. Defensive Back Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 16; Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers, 5; Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4; Bryce Callahan, Chicago, 4; Eddie Jackson, Chicago, 3; Byron Jones, Dallas, 3; Kareem Jackson, Houston, 3; Kyle Fuller, Chicago, 2; Minkah Fitzpatrick, Miami, 2; Jamal Adams, New York Jets, 2; Tyrann Mathieu, Houston, 2; Jaire Alexander, Green Bay, 1; Stephon Gilmore, New England, 1; Kevin Byard, Tennessee, 1; Jalen Ramsey, Jacksonville, 1. SPECIAL TEAMS Placekicker Justin Tucker, Baltimore, 23; Aldrick Rosas, New York Giants, 14; Robbie Gould, San Francisco, 6; Jason Myers, New York Jets, 4; Wil Lutz, New Orleans, 2; Ka’imi Fairbairn, Houston, 1. Punter Michael Dickson, Seattle, 18; Johnny Hekker, Los Angeles Rams, 10; Brett Kern, Tennessee, 9; Thomas Morstead, New Orleans, 5; Andy Lee, Arizona, 5; Tress Way, Washington, 3. Kick Returner Andre Roberts, New York Jets, 45; Cordarrelle Patterson, New England, 2; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 1; Alex Erickson, Cincinnati, 1; Darius Jennings, Tennessee, 1. Punt Returner Tarik Cohen, Chicago, 19; Desmond King, Los Angeles Chargers, 12; Andre Roberts, New York Jets, 11; Dwayne Harris, Oakland, 6, Jakeem Grant, Miami, 2. Special Teamer Adrian Phillips, Los Angeles Chargers, 16; Cory Littleton, Los Angeles Rams, 15; Tyreek Hill, Kansas City, 6; Dwayne Harris, Oakland, 6; Matthew Slater, New England, 4; Albert McClellan, New England, 1; Johnson Bademosi, Houston, 1; Kevin Pierre-Louis, New York Jets, 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: It is and this is how they voted. Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams, 25; Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas, 15; Saquon Barkley, New York Giants, 9; Christian McCaffrey, Carolina, 1. Yea. You see they gave the best running back in the league only 9 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 2:22 AM, Nex_Gen said: I love me some Baker but the only leg up he has in this race is that he plays the most important position in football. The unquestioned OROY should be Barkley. It would be a cop out if he doesnt get it, given he's already a top 5 player at his position. Its not just his position, but moreso that Barkely plays RB. A position that has become less and less valuable because of its rotating door of success. The Giants had a full season of Barkley this year and 12 games of OBJ being back and went from 3 wins to 5 wins. Baker resulted in 7 wins in large part because of him and if he would have started the whole year, the Browns would have won 8 or 9 games. I understand the production argument might favor Barkley, but to dismiss the 'Well its only because he plays QB" side of the story is silly. Its the most important and hardest position in all of sports. Thats why there are only 12-15 guys on the planet that can do it at a high level to directly impact teams W/L record every game. If its close (which it is) then because 1 plays QB and with more team success and 1 plays RB and less team success is a perfectly legitimate tie breaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Ezekiel Elliot had almost 2,000 yards and 16 TDs his rookie year. They gave the award to Dak. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 43 minutes ago, Gmen said: Yea. You see they gave the best running back in the league only 9 votes. Ah, but is he the best player who has ever played in the NFL? I think that needs answered if he is already the best at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Ezekiel Elliot had almost 2,000 yards and 16 TDs his rookie year. They gave the award to Dak. Just sayin'. Mayfield isn't as good as Dak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Gmen said: Do the same people that decide the All-pro team decide the official rookie of the year awards? If that's the case, there is a good chance Mayfield wins OROY because they've already shown they're a bunch of nincompoops See the post from @Thomas5737 on page 36 where they break down the 2017 voters. Its a much better group then say 10 years ago Its a solid group of 49 writers and 1 plagiarist/troll/catfish victim (Borges) It includes 9 former players and 1 GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gmen said: Mayfield isn't as good as Dak Put down the peace pipe, it a laced with stupid. Baker is already better than Dak. Better passer, better in the pocket. As good a leader, worse running the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Put down the peace pipe, it a laced with stupid. Baker is already better than Dak. Better passer, better in the pocket. As good a leader, worse running the ball. He's just trolling at this point. Or at least I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gmen said: Mayfield isn't as good as Dak Wow...and the final shred of credibility you had just got flushed down the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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