Blackstar12 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Trading this far from the draft is weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, General Tso said: Shooter McGavin never misses @Forge I’m sure teams talk all the time. I’ll believe a team trades up for JJ McCarthy when I see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, General Tso said: Shooter McGavin never misses @Forge I don't know who this dude is, but he's been on top of multiple acquisitions this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 #11, #23 ————— Justin Herbert This allows Harbaugh to select the best player in the draft JJ McCarthey, at #5 and to also rebuild around JJ in his way. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, General Tso said: I, as a totally unbiased fan, think the Vikings will finish last in this division, so that future pick could be valuable. We can bucket the pick into a 1-8 range, assuming the Vikings are one of the worst teams in the NFL, and do the math from there. Here's the chart: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_trade_value.htm 23 is worth 760 42 is worth 480 188 is worth 16 232 is worth less than 2 (let's say 2, it's a rounding error) The difference between the value here is 266, and that comes out to the top of the 3rd round. So in other words, the Vikings traded a pick expected near the top of the 2nd round in 2025 for a pick that would have 2024 value near the 3rd round. They're paying a full round penalty. I'm surprised, because my initial reaction without doing the math was that the Texans settled for a slightly lower premium. Doesn't look like it at all. Good deal for Houston. EDIT: To be fair to the Vikings, the value chart kind of doesn't apply with QBs, so if you get your franchise QB and you pay a standard market premium you probably feel okay about it. My final opinion is the Vikings paid the full sticker price, but that's a reasonable deal for both sides given the context. Edited March 15 by ramssuperbowl99 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 27 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said: Because the Vikings know that first round pick will be early next year if they are starting D'Arnold/Rookie QB. And the Texans should want that then. Should have put the squeeze on Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, Duluther said: #11, #23 ————— Justin Herbert This allows Harbaugh to select the best player in the draft JJ McCarthey, at #5 and to also rebuild around JJ in his way. that would be hilarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) In isolation, this trade is more likely a loss for Houston. I don’t understand why Texans did this, at this moment in time. Edited March 15 by CriminalMind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, minutemancl said: Per the Rich Hill trade value chart, pick 3 is worth 514, 4 is worth 491, and 5 is worth 468. Picks 11 and 23 combined are worth 603. Given the QB tax that is added into to big trade ups for QBs, the Vikings now theoretically have enough pick value to move up. Now it is all about finding a trade partner and making sure your guy is available. Based on that, it almost makes me wonder if they are hoping to get up to #2. A lot has been floated out there that they love McCarthy, but could that just be a smokescreen and the prize they really want is Maye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, SodeeWater_Cheezburger said: Based on that, it almost makes me wonder if they are hoping to get up to #2. A lot has been floated out there that they love McCarthy, but could that just be a smokescreen and the prize they really want is Maye? Reports are that Chicago is not moving out of 1 and Washington is not moving out of 2. The highest Minnesota would likely be able to get is 3. If they're targeting a specific QB, they'd need to wait to trade up until draft day. Can't get to 3 targeting Maye only to watch him go #2 because information you got was bad, or something. If you like Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy, then you can get up to 3 or even 4 anytime between now and the draft and be happy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Very strange. Russell Wilson made the Super Bowl in year two, Goff in year three, Purdy in year two...Stroud is better now than all of them were. Not that there is a player to be for a first rounder right now, but I think it would have made more sense to trade that first for an established player if you're going to trade it. The Texans should think of themselves as Super Bowl contenders for 2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, SodeeWater_Cheezburger said: Based on that, it almost makes me wonder if they are hoping to get up to #2. A lot has been floated out there that they love McCarthy, but could that just be a smokescreen and the prize they really want is Maye? Draft Tek trade value chart: #11: 1,250 | #23: 760 = 2,010 #4 = 1,800 #5 = 1,700 You typically pay a +20% premium to move up for a QB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Vikings are definitely moving up. Lets say they move from 11 to 3. Do they pay the same price the 49ers did? 49ers in 2021 moved up from 12 to 3 for three 1st round picks & a 3rd round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, 49ersfan said: Vikings are definitely moving up. Lets say they move from 11 to 3. Do they pay the same price the 49ers did? 49ers in 2021 moved up from 12 to 3 for three 1st round picks & a 3rd round pick Not sure, did that work out well for SF? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 28 minutes ago, Duluther said: #11, #23 ————— Justin Herbert This allows Harbaugh to select the best player in the draft JJ McCarthey, at #5 and to also rebuild around JJ in his way. Would be the first kind thing they did for Herbert all offseason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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