JAF-N72EX Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: I can’t believe the hate obj is getting lol Welcome to the narcissistic era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilenFroggen Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I've had zero respect for him since the Norman game. Doubt he goes anywhere, but how much would the deal he wants hamstring the Giants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkrei Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, cddolphin said: A creative way to waste taxpayer money. a crime is a crime, I don't put athletes on a pedestal. Equal law for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 hours ago, lancerman said: It’s cost benefit. WR’s end up getting paid more than they are valued so elite WR’s tend to end up being burdens on teams. Are the Giants better with him, depends on how much you are paying for him. On rookie contract yeah he easily is. At 20 million you start looking at what you have to live without for him and then it becomes tougher. He’s been on the team for 4 years, the Giants has one winning season and it had more to do with their defense and they were nowhere near the Super Bowl. Tbh I wouldn’t even have paid Calvin Johnson that much if he was around today. So many teams get stuck paying a Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson and he becomes the primary feature of their team and they don’t do anything unless a Brett Favre falls in their lap. And the Giants are in a rebuild, they aren’t going from 3-13 to a Super Bowl anytime in the next 2-3 seasons. So realize you’ll be paying him all this money in a rebuild. If they were close then it might be different. Then you might want to keep an impact player and not rock the boat. They aren’t close. You give him a five year contract and your probably not even competitive until the last two years of it, and even that’s a big IF because I don’t like Eli’s odds of making it that far, which gives you a whole other question mark. You might pay him , then when the teams in better shape all of a sudden you have to find a new guy to throw to him. I’m gonna try be as quick and concise with this. There is no evidence to prove that elite WRs are burdens. Correlation( if there is one to begin with) does not equal causation. As long as he plays at his game breaking level he makes the Giants better. hes been on the team 4 years, and we’d be a top 5 pick perennially without him. There is no such thing as 2-3 years away. Countless times that’s been disproven. He’s not gonna hurt a rebuild. Put it this way, if we aren’t competitive within the span of his contract then it’s not gonna be because of Odell. Just means the team would have failed to bring the players around him. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzane Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 9 hours ago, showtime said: What about the idea that the Giants have a new offensive coordinator and system. Beckham Jr. seems primed to miss a lot of time. He hasn't been with Eli Manning this off-season because he's touring and hanging with his friends. And now there are reports of him holding out until he gets his mega contract - a contract that the Giants do not need to give him right now. This doesn't exactly look all that great for Beckham Jr's upcoming season. Gosh, I wonder if a small part of Odell's prospective holdout is a desire to miss the pre-season, after that season-ruining injury he suffered in an exhibition game last year? Cannot says as I would blame him too much, although certainly there is a need for him to learn the Giants' new offense. Seems as though I've heard a growing aversion from NFL players in general to pre-season games. Weren't there a couple of guys who contrived to miss the entire exhibition season in putative holdouts, only to miraculously sign right before the season-opening game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Crazy Idea, Since NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed, Players on their rookie contract should be eligible for arbitration in their 2nd or 3rd year. The rookie wage scale was a necessary improvement, but 1st contract players lost pretty much all their leverage. Arbitration could even the playing field a bit, and cut down the need to hold out. IMO it sucks that a player producing at 5-9 million dollar level can be making 1/8th of that, considering one play could end their career. That or just make contracts 100% guaranteed, like every other sport on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: I can’t believe the hate obj is getting lol Why? He's a phenomenal talent who's conduct is detrimental to his team. He wins games with his play, but can potential lose them with his antics. He allows opposing players to get under his skin, seriously affecting his play. He gets in fights with inanimate objects and loses. He goes on boat parties and Miami night club excursions right before playoff games. He's not Michael Irvin; he can't handle that noise. He's come close to saying the right thing a few times, but he hasn't even begun to show any kind of progress in terms of maturity. He's a silly man with a silly haircut. All of that, and he's still the most talented receiver in the league. He absolutely deserves all of the hate and all of the respect he gets. Both. The Giants will pay him. He's good enough to deserve it... They'll just have to put some strict language in the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 20 hours ago, G said: His contract demands and off field issues make him untradeable IMO What is he demanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_eagle Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 You can't pay a WR huge money because it will handicap more important positions such as OL, DL and QB. Look at Tom Brady - he's won how many times with no name receivers. You get a good QB and a strong O line to protect them which means you can also run the ball so any receivers (no matter how good or bad) will get open and with a good QB he will throw it to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 9 hours ago, valkrei said: a crime is a crime, I don't put athletes on a pedestal. Equal law for all. Neither do I, doesn't make it any less of a waste. No chance any investigation yields a damn thing, why go through the motions and waste resources that could be better allocated elsewhere. Let the NFL handle the discipline, they don't wait around for the cops anyway. Plus they'll hit him where it hurts: his paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Kip Smithers said: I’m gonna try be as quick and concise with this. There is no evidence to prove that elite WRs are burdens. Correlation( if there is one to begin with) does not equal causation. As long as he plays at his game breaking level he makes the Giants better. hes been on the team 4 years, and we’d be a top 5 pick perennially without him. There is no such thing as 2-3 years away. Countless times that’s been disproven. He’s not gonna hurt a rebuild. Put it this way, if we aren’t competitive within the span of his contract then it’s not gonna be because of Odell. Just means the team would have failed to bring the players around him. Simple. The term burden is based on the price. Dinner can be a burden if you go out every night of the week and drop 300 on it. Paying someone whose not a QB 20 million is probably going to be a burden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 When the owner says "im tired of answering questions about what player x is doing" Player x isnt long for that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, lancerman said: The term burden is based on the price. Dinner can be a burden if you go out every night of the week and drop 300 on it. Paying someone whose not a QB 20 million is probably going to be a burden. Not really. It’s a burden if that person isn’t worth the contract. Not all QBs are worth the money they get. Just because across all individual positions it has most impact doesn’t mean that their earnings can’t be a burden. It only becomes a burden if his play doesn’t meet the desired level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kip Smithers said: Not really. It’s a burden if that person isn’t worth the contract. Not all QBs are worth the money they get. Just because across all individual positions it has most impact doesn’t mean that their earnings can’t be a burden. It only becomes a burden if his play doesn’t meet the desired level. And OBJ is asking to become the highest paid non QB in the league. He’s either the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the league and nowhere near the best non QB. The desired level for that should be something like he’s peerless and there’s no question he’s going to wind up as a top 3 WR of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: When the owner says "im tired of answering questions about what player x is doing" Player x isnt long for that team. Well, glad to hear the Colts will be trading Andrew Luck soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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