Forge Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, N4L said: You must not have been watching closely. Kitchens was a buffoon who made irrational decisions and lost the lockeroom. You gotta cut a guy like that and not waste any more time. And he didn't even get Vernon Davis' head on straight like Singletary at least did for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Forge said: And he didn't even get Vernon Davis' head on straight like Singletary at least did for us. Should have sent Odell to the showers 8 weeks ago and taken the penalty for 10 men on the field I WANT WINNERS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) I'm shocked that GM Dorsey isn't on the hot seat more. Not just referring to the Kitchens hire (which he absolutely owns, but): -Going 1.1 on Baker -Going away from 2018 draft / FA with no real viable replacement for Joe Thomas (finding Greg Robinson was later, and that's not great, but he didn't even have that post-draft & FA). -Throwing away all the cap space Sashi Brown created for CLE -Trading away Kevin Zeitler for a luxury item in Olivier Vernon. Honestly, Dorsey owns this mess as much as Kitchens. Kitchens definitely had to go - but honestly, Dorsey seems more part of the problem than the solution. Edited December 30, 2019 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensfanRD Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I am sadden to learn the news of Freddie Kitchens leaving the Browns. With that said, lol, Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Broncofan said: I'm shocked that GM Dorsey isn't on the hot seat more. Not just referring to the Kitchens hire (which he absolutely owns, but): -Going 1.1 on Baker -Going away from 2018 draft / FA with no real viable replacement for Joe Thomas (finding Greg Robinson was later, and that's not great, but he didn't even have that post-draft & FA). -Throwing away all the cap space Sashi Brown created for CLE -Trading away Kevin Zeitler for a luxury item in Olivier Vernon. Honestly, Dorsey owns this mess as much as Kitchens. Kitchens definitely had to go - but honestly, Dorsey seems more part of the problem than the solution. Honestly, cap space is the thing I have to push back on. There’s a lot of dead weight that will be cut and our cap space will skyrocket because of it. We’ve always had cap space. Dorseys major screwups have been hiring Freddie and not replacing Joe T properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Broncofan said: I'm shocked that GM Dorsey isn't on the hot seat more. Not just referring to the Kitchens hire (which he absolutely owns, but): -Going 1.1 on Baker -Going away from 2018 draft / FA with no real viable replacement for Joe Thomas (finding Greg Robinson was later, and that's not great, but he didn't even have that post-draft & FA). -Throwing away all the cap space Sashi Brown created for CLE -Trading away Kevin Zeitler for a luxury item in Olivier Vernon. Honestly, Dorsey owns this mess as much as Kitchens. Kitchens definitely had to go - but honestly, Dorsey seems more part of the problem than the solution. Nothing wrong with taking Baker 1.1 gonna be hard to replace a HoF tackle. Can’t fill every hole first year. Now he had a top10 pick to draft a LT didnt throw away all the cap space. Gave out a lot of friendly contracts that he can actually get out of this offseason with no big hits. All the big contracts he signed his first offseason all have outs after this season luxury guy? How is it a luxury to have a #2 DE? You need that in today’s league. It’s like it was a luxury to draft Chubb when you already have Miller than... Dorsey does get to carry some blame but he put together a very talented roster. A roster that should have gone better than 6-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Broncofan said: I'm shocked that GM Dorsey isn't on the hot seat more. Not just referring to the Kitchens hire (which he absolutely owns, but): -Going 1.1 on Baker -Going away from 2018 draft / FA with no real viable replacement for Joe Thomas (finding Greg Robinson was later, and that's not great, but he didn't even have that post-draft & FA). -Throwing away all the cap space Sashi Brown created for CLE -Trading away Kevin Zeitler for a luxury item in Olivier Vernon. Honestly, Dorsey owns this mess as much as Kitchens. Kitchens definitely had to go - but honestly, Dorsey seems more part of the problem than the solution. Your takes regarding the Browns are usually pretty fair but I gotta disagree with you on this one. Dorsey hasn't been perfect but he's done a good job at bringing in talent. - Jury is out on Baker. Great rookie year and a disappointing second year (although he wasn't as bad as his stats indicate, IMO). We were going to go QB no matter what, and it's not like guys like Darnold have been amazing thus far or anything. - We knew OL could be an issue this year, but our OL looked much better when Freddie took over as OC last year. That wasn't the case this year, but guys like Greg Robinson were serviceable believe it or not and he got another one-year prove it deal. He was a bum this year and I'm sure Dorsey will look to revamp the OL this offseason. - We still have plenty of cap space. And many of the signings Dorsey has made were contracts we could easily get out of quickly (such as Hubbard, Carrie, etc.). - The Zeitler trade didn't work out for us, but adding a DE wasn't a "luxury". We needed another DE across from Garrett, but unfortunately Vernon didn't play particularly well and missed quite a bit of time this season. If we want, we can cut him this year. If Dorsey screws up the next HC hire, then he obviously won't be around for any further HC searches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 hours ago, N4L said: Should have sent Odell to the showers 8 weeks ago and taken the penalty for 10 men on the field I WANT WINNERS Singletary was such a moron as head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 10 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I supported the hire because of how much success he had with a rookie QB and middling offense talent was last year (4th highest DVOA over the second half of the year iirc), but he flat out was out of his depth. Maybe what your former OL coach said about Freddie and the offensive improvement in the second half of 2017 (that a lot of the other offensive assistants like Al Saunders and Ken Zampese did a lot of the work that Freddie was given credit for) had some truth to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, drd23 said: Maybe what your former OL coach said about Freddie and the offensive improvement in the second half of 2017 (that a lot of the other offensive assistants like Al Saunders and Ken Zampese did a lot of the work that Freddie was given credit for) had some truth to it? Zampese for sure. Freddie hired his buddy Lindley to “coach” Baker and it was awful. His footwork is awful, mechanics in general are awful. Freddie called an entirely different offense last year too. Balanced, played to the strengths of the roster, unpredictable, aggressive down the field, etc. This season he did literally none of those things for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsawian Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 12 hours ago, MWil23 said: Two 1,000 yard receivers and the NFL Rushing leader Nick Chubb, $90 million in cap space and a Top 10 pick. Technically two NFL rushing leaders that are still in their prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Wait....he actually thought he was gonna keep his job? Bahahaha. This was long overdue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflbillsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Browns have requested to interview Josh McDaniels per Schefter. I hope this happens because he is overrated but I doubt the pats let him walk or he is even interested in this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolsurebro Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, soflbillsfan said: Browns have requested to interview Josh McDaniels per Schefter. I hope this happens because he is overrated but I doubt the pats let him walk or he is even interested in this organization. I bet he's interested in a fat wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He was like the teacher who wanted to be everyone's best friend and got zero respect for it in return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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