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2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

"Trying herd immunity" 5 months after failure to contain isn't "trying herd immunity" at all. It's trying to put a positive spin on failure.

This is like when college kids decide to “take a gap semester” when they are flunking everything at the withdrawal deadline. 

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52 minutes ago, rob_shadows said:

Why do people even pay attention to the IHME model at this point? It's been wrong (by a wide margin) every step of the way but people are still acting like it's something to put stock into...I don't get it.

That initial death prediction of 200k is going to end up looking pretty good...

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2 hours ago, rob_shadows said:

Why do people even pay attention to the IHME model at this point? It's been wrong (by a wide margin) every step of the way but people are still acting like it's something to put stock into...I don't get it.

Use the multiple models instead. Though it is pointed out in this May article that IHME model had become more pessimistic.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/13/855038708/combining-different-models-new-coronavirus-projection-shows-110-000-deaths-by-ju

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Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), believed to be linked to COVID-19, damages the heart to such an extent that some children will need lifelong monitoring and interventions, said the senior author of a medical literature review published Sept. 4 in EClinicalMedicine, a journal of The Lancet. Case studies also show MIS-C can strike seemingly healthy children without warning three or four weeks after asymptomatic infections, said Alvaro Moreira, MD, MSc, of The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio...

Most of the 662 children suffered cardiac involvement as indicated by markers such as troponin, which is used with great accuracy in adults to diagnose heart attacks. "Almost 90% of the children (581) underwent an echocardiogram because they had such a significant cardiac manifestation of the disease," Dr. Moreira said...

Children with an aneurysm are at the most risk of a future event. "These are children who are going to require significant observation and follow-up with multiple ultrasounds to see if this is going to resolve or if this is something they will have for the rest of their lives," Dr. Moreira said.

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"But once Covid-19 has established itself in the body, things start to get really interesting. According to Jacobson’s group, the data Summit analyzed shows that Covid-19 isn’t content to simply infect cells that already express lots of ACE2 receptors. Instead, it actively hijacks the body’s own systems, tricking it into upregulating ACE2 receptors in places where they’re usually expressed at low or medium levels, including the lungs."

"In this sense, Covid-19 is like a burglar who slips in your unlocked second-floor window and starts to ransack your house. Once inside, though, they don’t just take your stuff — they also throw open all your doors and windows so their accomplices can rush in and help pillage more efficiently."

https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63

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Trying to figure out solutions to universities reopening and controlling the spread. The main problem seem to be students and parties. What can you do? Part of me wants to use the blunt force method and kick/suspend students that are being selfish. But negative reinforcements rarely work. Maybe alternative solutions are required?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/907756835/preventing-college-parties-shame-and-blame-dont-work-but-beer-pong-outside-might

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4 hours ago, Xenos said:

Trying to figure out solutions to universities reopening and controlling the spread. The main problem seem to be students and parties. What can you do? Part of me wants to use the blunt force method and kick/suspend students that are being selfish. But negative reinforcements rarely work. Maybe alternative solutions are required?

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/31/907756835/preventing-college-parties-shame-and-blame-dont-work-but-beer-pong-outside-might

The solution was to not open up campuses in the first place. The students absolutely share much of the blame but these colleges knew what was going to happen, they knew that it would spread. So instead of just shutting down in the first place they opened things up. Inevitably they're going to have to shut down again. Now you're going to have college students coming to college, being exposed to the virus, and then being sent back home, further spreading the disease. The decision to reopen was entirely about money and it's disgusting to me.

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