jrry32 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Forge said: They inquired about him a couple years back before signing Rivers, but damn... The idea of moving a first + for Wentz only to move off him a year later and replace him with Jimmy (via trade which will cost more assets) is tragic for colts fans lol Why get rid of Wentz for a guy who isn't an upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Why get rid of Wentz for a guy who isn't an upgrade? It doesn't really make that much sense unless they have a really low opinion of Wentz currently. I can't imagine that they are that low on Wentz and that high on Jimmy that this makes a ton of sense. They don't have the capital to go big game hunting either. Someone in the news forum mentioned targeting Love if the Packers keep Rodgers, and I think that's an interesting pivot that may be worthwhile. At least he offers something upside wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Forge said: It doesn't really make that much sense unless they have a really low opinion of Wentz currently. I can't imagine that they are that low on Wentz and that high on Jimmy that this makes a ton of sense. They don't have the capital to go big game hunting either. Someone in the news forum mentioned targeting Love if the Packers keep Rodgers, and I think that's an interesting pivot that may be worthwhile. At least he offers something upside wise. Colts sounded pretty fed up with Wentz at their season end press conferences. Reich & Ballard wouldn't commit to him for 2022 and Irsay sounded furious at missing the playoffs. It reminded me of last year when McVay & Snead just sounded fed up with Goff. When i heard that i figured Wentz was a goner. Edited February 13, 2022 by 49ersfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) One thing on the Wentz deal. The 15 million is already guaranteed. (as of the 3rd day of 2021) The Colts can do noting about that if they cut him. The March 3rd date is for the rest of his 22 million (7 m). This means they save 13.3 of his 28.3 compensation if they cut him before the 3rd day of the 2022 NFL year. He has a Les Snead Special poison pill contract (See Todd Gurley's terrible deal that started that mess) They can save all of it with a trade or maybe eat 10 of it and leave the new team with 18.3. You can convert some base to a bonus before any trade if you want. Edited February 14, 2022 by SkippyX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) . Edited February 14, 2022 by adamq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 For a RB or WR I think it’s ridiculously simple: 2,000 yards. For a WR at least 17 TD’s. For a RB at least 22 combined TD’s. And make sure a QB doesn’t have a record breaking year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 10:56 AM, Forge said: Not really movement based, but I found it interesting. I mean, it makes sense. With the potential for Rodgers and/or Russ to move in the offseason and the (likelihood) such a move would also result in a market-setting extension for either, it only makes fiscal sense for Lamar to wait for a market reset. He'd be potentially very likely leaving money on the table if he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/13/2022 at 6:33 PM, jrry32 said: Why get rid of Wentz for a guy who isn't an upgrade? Because he's jay cutler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 20 hours ago, SkippyX said: They can save all of it with a trade or maybe eat 10 of it and leave the new team with 18.3. You can convert some base to a bonus before any trade if you want. I cant see any team eating that cap hit PLUS trading a pick for Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalan162 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, 43M said: I cant see any team eating that cap hit PLUS trading a pick for Wentz. I guess we’re more in the Osweiler to Cleveland category tradewise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 49 minutes ago, 43M said: I cant see any team eating that cap hit PLUS trading a pick for Wentz. I think it could be a flip of picks or something. That cap hit would be like the third lowest in the league for a starting QB not on a rookie deal. Would put him at Sam Darnold levels for 2022 and any team acquiring him could still rework it a bit. Would put him about 17th total. Allen has a super low hit for one more year, and I guess technically taysom is a starter. Joe flacco got a 4th round pick after getting benched by Baltimore with an 18.5 million cap hit on a cap 20 million less than this year. They may not get that, but could see a similar trade to tannehill where you are trading him for a flip of picks or something. They kind of tanked the value by putting it out like this. They should have just quietly made some calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Danger said: Because he's jay cutler Yeah, but how does trading more draft compensation for a QB who isn't an upgrade solve your problems? Is Wentz that much of a cancer in the locker room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, jrry32 said: Yeah, but how does trading more draft compensation for a QB who isn't an upgrade solve your problems? Is Wentz that much of a cancer in the locker room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Forge said: I think it could be a flip of picks or something. That cap hit would be like the third lowest in the league for a starting QB not on a rookie deal. Thats the problem though. At this point, Wentz isnt really a starting caliber QB. Maybe a stop gap, but mostly a glorified backup. Here is how I look at it.... Wentz for $18m + a lost mid to low draft pick for likely 7 to 10 wins and maybe an early playoff exit, at best OR Rudolph for $4m + an extra quality FA or 2 + keep the draft pick for likely 6 to 9 wins So, do I wanna give up an extra good FA pickup and a draft pick for MAYBE an extra win or 2? No thanks. If we could get Wentz in free agency for half that price, Id consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, 43M said: Thats the problem though. At this point, Wentz isnt really a starting caliber QB. Maybe a stop gap, but mostly a glorified backup. Here is how I look at it.... Wentz for $18m + a lost mid to low draft pick for likely 7 to 10 wins and maybe an early playoff exit, at best OR Rudolph for $4m + an extra quality FA or 2 + keep the draft pick for likely 6 to 9 wins So, do I wanna give up an extra good FA pickup and a draft pick for MAYBE an extra win or 2? No thanks. If we could get Wentz in free agency for half that price, Id consider it. I think the bigger issue with Wentz is whether he's a negative influence in the locker room. Considering what some teams will be starting at QB next year, he's definitely a starting caliber guy. He's simply not a dude who elevates a team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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