HighCalebR Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 29 minutes ago, {Family Ghost} said: Pete Dougherty might be a little wrong on this one. I see a guy like AJ Hawk being a lock for the Packers Hall of Fame at some point. It's not like there is a super high bar to getting in there. This is from his chat today. Nick: Two Packers defensive players that where a key factor during their last Super Bowl run were Clay Mathhews and A.J. Hawk. Are they in the Packers Hall of Fame and, if not, why? And do you think they will make the NFL HOF? Pete Dougherty: Neither is in the Packers Hall of Fame. I don’t think Hawk rises to that level. He had a nice, long (nine years) career with them, was durable (only two games missed because of injury). But I don’t think his play rose to the level of belonging in the team’s Hall of Fame. He was a solid player, I wouldn’t go any further than that. All in all, I’d say he wasn’t much better than an average starter. Matthews will be in the team’s Hall of Fame at some point, can’t imagine he won’t be. I don’t know if the Hall has a mandatory waiting period for eligibility (the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s is five years after the player retires), but Matthews left the team after the 2018 season and retired after the 2019 season, so he hasn’t been out for very long. I have to think that’s why he’s not in yet. The Packers Hall had a reputation for years and years of often inducting players because they were fan favorites and might increase ticket sales for the banquet, etc., rather than for how well they played. But the selection committee has raised the bar in the past 15 years or so. I don’t think Hawk clears it. Matthews clearly does, and I suspect he’ll get in soon. If youre the Packers leading tackler in history, probably should make the team HoF. No matter how you feel about him, he's a good part of the teams history at this point. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kampfgeist Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 16 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: If youre the Packers leading tackler in history, probably should make the team HoF. No matter how you feel about him, he's a good part of the teams history at this point. I'm all for Matthews but disagree on Hawk. He's earned some attaboys but not Hall of Fame honors imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, Kampfgeist said: I'm all for Matthews but disagree on Hawk. He's earned some attaboys but not Hall of Fame honors imo I hate to break it to you, but you can find about a couple dozen PHoFers whose performance was on par with Hawk's during their careers. The bar for acceptance is lower than you think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, Kampfgeist said: I'm all for Matthews but disagree on Hawk. He's earned some attaboys but not Hall of Fame honors imo Not even Packers Hall of Fame? That's what was being asked in the question above. I say he's a lock, and I definitely wasn't his biggest fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 AJ Hawk was the right pick up until 12th overall based on who was available and that’s wild to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, Kampfgeist said: I'm all for Matthews but disagree on Hawk. He's earned some attaboys but not Hall of Fame honors imo Its the team hall. The guy leads the team in a fairly major statistical category. Was a Captain for 1/4 of the Super Bowls the team claims. Was the center of the defense for a decade. Thats a significant part of the history of the team. Plenty of room in the hall for that guy. Whats the point of leaving him out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestar Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 If Mark Tauscher and Ryan Longwell are in (which they are) I don't see how you keep Hawk out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, HighCalebR said: Its the team hall. The guy leads the team in a fairly major statistical category. Was a Captain for 1/4 of the Super Bowls the team claims. Was the center of the defense for a decade. Thats a significant part of the history of the team. Plenty of room in the hall for that guy. Whats the point of leaving him out? He's unlikable? (Checks notes, yeah, scratch that idea off of the list.) Has an ugly wife? (Checks internet...oh yeah, scratch that idea, too.) Was a bad person in the community? (Checks notes....scratch that one, too.) Didn't have the stats? (SB Champ, all time tackles leader, scratch that one.) Didn't get Dougherty an interview that he wanted at one point in time? Yeah, that is likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Is Pete the guy that was here that was convinced that AJ Hawk had the biggest contract in the history of the NFL? Frickin Don Majkowski of 56 TDs to 56 INTs and a 22-26 record as a starter is in the Packers Hall of Fame. I get it, you want an all-timer at pick 5. But that whole class sucked. Hawk was the 13th best player by PFR's DrAV, which isn't the greatest stat ever, but still. You get more points for being drafted later, only D'Brickashaw Ferguson ranked higher of the players that were drafted before Hawk. Greg Jennings was 12th, we also got top 32 value out of Darryn Colledge, so we did really well. Put Hawk in the Packers HoF. He is awesome, and he deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brat&Beer Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Hawk never got the credit he deserved for the Packers Super Bowl title. After Nick Barnett went out with an injury, Hawk orchestrated that defense. He also had arguably his greatest year with 3 INT's and 10 PD's and made the Pro Bowl. His 2013 season with 5 sacks and 13 TFL was pretty good too. Hawk should easily be in Packers HOF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tperk Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 30 minutes ago, wgbeethree said: Who else do we have pics of flipping off the opponent or opponents fans? I know the Bakh one from last season in Chicago. I think I have a pic of Davante flipping off someone in the crowd during a game as well. Any others that anyone can think of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smidgeon Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 43 minutes ago, Tperk said: Who else do we have pics of flipping off the opponent or opponents fans? I know the Bakh one from last season in Chicago. I think I have a pic of Davante flipping off someone in the crowd during a game as well. Any others that anyone can think of? Ummm, he was flipping someone off on his own bench if I recall correctly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Not a Hawk fan by any stretch, but the idea that he doesn't clear the bar for the Packers HOF is a little absurd. Packers HOF LB Johnny Holland played 7 mostly mediocre seasons as a Packer in the 80's/90s, but Hawk isn't up to that standard? It's just dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 It's the Packers Hall of Fame. Im not sure there is a low bar to get in. I'm waiting for Martellus Bennett to get in. Hawk is a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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