The QB Thread: Everything Carr, Stidham and beyond...

[NYRaider]

4 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Yeah I think using him as a decoy wasn't a great idea.

I just wasn't a fan of the fact that we acted like we could only target him on deep passes. At Alabama his production was split almost evenly between go-routes, screens, slants, out-routes, etc. I also think that he was banged up for most of the year after Carolina game. And Gruden's offense is notorious for being pretty complex so he didn't have a ton of time to learn the playbook or to build chemistry with Carr in the off-season. A lot of guys with similar skill-sets to Ruggs had so-so rookie years before becoming 1,000+ yard guys in year 2. 

[MrOaktown_56]

On 5/20/2021 at 8:38 PM, NYRaider said:

I just wasn't a fan of the fact that we acted like we could only target him on deep passes. At Alabama his production was split almost evenly between go-routes, screens, slants, out-routes, etc. I also think that he was banged up for most of the year after Carolina game. And Gruden's offense is notorious for being pretty complex so he didn't have a ton of time to learn the playbook or to build chemistry with Carr in the off-season. A lot of guys with similar skill-sets to Ruggs had so-so rookie years before becoming 1,000+ yard guys in year 2. 

He reminds me of a more linear Desean Jackson with a little more speed and leaping ability, but a little less twitch. 

[ronjon1990]

On 5/20/2021 at 10:32 PM, MrOaktown_56 said:

Yeah I think using him as a decoy wasn't a great idea.

Yep. You can get away with that for a game here or there, but we did it so much it couldn't possibly be deployed with any effect. 

I really hope we try getting multiple guys involved this year. 

Ruggs, Brown, Edwards, Renfrow, Waller, and Moreau isn't a shallow group by any stretch of the imagination. Add in Drake, Richard, and Imgold, we have no reason to not be able to spread the ball out. 

[Bitty 2.0]

 

Deep attempts: 24-of-52, 968 yards, 10:1 TD-to-INT ratio, 124.2 passer rating

Comp: 46.2%

xComp: 31.7%

CPOE: +14.5%

 

GM Mike Mayock was not shy about expressing the confidence he has in Carr this offseason. And after looking at the QB's deep passing numbers, it's easy to understand why the team decided to maintain the status quo at the position. Carr posted an impressive CPOE of +14.5 percent and passer rating of 124.2 on deep throws last season. His TD-INT ratio of 10:1 explains his stellar rating, but what's even more encouraging about Carr's performance was how well he played when under duress. Carr led the NFL with 11 completions, 426 passing yards and six touchdowns on deep passes against the blitz in 2020. He also posted the second-highest expected points added on deep passes at 60.2. Carr took a massive year-to-year leap when going deep, posting a CPOE improvement of +15.1 percentage points on downfield attempts, lifting himself out of the negative and well into positive territory. He did this all despite a relatively quiet debut season from deep threat Henry Ruggs III, who needs to improve at getting in and out of his breaks as he enters Year Two, per Mayock. Carr might wish he still had free-agent departure Nelson Agholor, though, as the wideout accounted for six deep passing touchdowns in 2020, the second-most in the NFL behind Tyreek Hill's eight. Regardless, Carr had a strong response for anyone questioning his ability to throw the deep ball in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com

[raidr4life]

20 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

 

Deep attempts: 24-of-52, 968 yards, 10:1 TD-to-INT ratio, 124.2 passer rating

Comp: 46.2%

xComp: 31.7%

CPOE: +14.5%

 

GM Mike Mayock was not shy about expressing the confidence he has in Carr this offseason. And after looking at the QB's deep passing numbers, it's easy to understand why the team decided to maintain the status quo at the position. Carr posted an impressive CPOE of +14.5 percent and passer rating of 124.2 on deep throws last season. His TD-INT ratio of 10:1 explains his stellar rating, but what's even more encouraging about Carr's performance was how well he played when under duress. Carr led the NFL with 11 completions, 426 passing yards and six touchdowns on deep passes against the blitz in 2020. He also posted the second-highest expected points added on deep passes at 60.2. Carr took a massive year-to-year leap when going deep, posting a CPOE improvement of +15.1 percentage points on downfield attempts, lifting himself out of the negative and well into positive territory. He did this all despite a relatively quiet debut season from deep threat Henry Ruggs III, who needs to improve at getting in and out of his breaks as he enters Year Two, per Mayock. Carr might wish he still had free-agent departure Nelson Agholor, though, as the wideout accounted for six deep passing touchdowns in 2020, the second-most in the NFL behind Tyreek Hill's eight. Regardless, Carr had a strong response for anyone questioning his ability to throw the deep ball in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com

It's not about ability with Carr

[Darbsk]

30 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

 

Deep attempts: 24-of-52, 968 yards, 10:1 TD-to-INT ratio, 124.2 passer rating

Comp: 46.2%

xComp: 31.7%

CPOE: +14.5%

 

GM Mike Mayock was not shy about expressing the confidence he has in Carr this offseason. And after looking at the QB's deep passing numbers, it's easy to understand why the team decided to maintain the status quo at the position. Carr posted an impressive CPOE of +14.5 percent and passer rating of 124.2 on deep throws last season. His TD-INT ratio of 10:1 explains his stellar rating, but what's even more encouraging about Carr's performance was how well he played when under duress. Carr led the NFL with 11 completions, 426 passing yards and six touchdowns on deep passes against the blitz in 2020. He also posted the second-highest expected points added on deep passes at 60.2. Carr took a massive year-to-year leap when going deep, posting a CPOE improvement of +15.1 percentage points on downfield attempts, lifting himself out of the negative and well into positive territory. He did this all despite a relatively quiet debut season from deep threat Henry Ruggs III, who needs to improve at getting in and out of his breaks as he enters Year Two, per Mayock. Carr might wish he still had free-agent departure Nelson Agholor, though, as the wideout accounted for six deep passing touchdowns in 2020, the second-most in the NFL behind Tyreek Hill's eight. Regardless, Carr had a strong response for anyone questioning his ability to throw the deep ball in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com

Surprised by those stats for Carr - in a positive manner. Maybe the year before Agholor and Ruggs we had a lack of decent to good targets to go deep with after Williams went down and that had an effect on the routes run, number of deep targets and efficiency.

[ronjon1990]

5 minutes ago, Darbsk said:

Surprised by those stats for Carr - in a positive manner. Maybe the year before Agholor and Ruggs we had a lack of decent to good targets to go deep with after Williams went down and that had an effect on the routes run, number of deep targets and efficiency.

Yeah...it's almost like having real WRs makes a difference or something.

[dante9876]

The him going deep thing has always been over blown with carr.  He went down field enough when he had cooper and Crabtree. The biggest issue is how safe he plays it. He don't like taking to many chances. Which leads to less tight window throws, which inturn mixed with gruden awful playcalling helps lead to terrible redzone numbers for the team. 

 

This situation is gonna be similar to lions and stafford except carr to nice/loyal to ask for a trade. 

Edited May 25, 2021 by dante9876

[BackinBlack]

46 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

It's not about ability with Carr

Let me guess, Its about Stats/ facts  that fit your opinion?

[drfrey13]

Nobody questions Carr's physical ability.  He has trust issues.   

[Turnobili]

41 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Nobody questions Carr's physical ability.  He has trust issues.   

i do, but its not his arm. he's so feeble in the pocket. anybody gets a paw on his shoulder and he just collapses and drops the ball

[Geezy]

2 hours ago, Bitty 2.0 said:

 

Deep attempts: 24-of-52, 968 yards, 10:1 TD-to-INT ratio, 124.2 passer rating

Comp: 46.2%

xComp: 31.7%

CPOE: +14.5%

 

GM Mike Mayock was not shy about expressing the confidence he has in Carr this offseason. And after looking at the QB's deep passing numbers, it's easy to understand why the team decided to maintain the status quo at the position. Carr posted an impressive CPOE of +14.5 percent and passer rating of 124.2 on deep throws last season. His TD-INT ratio of 10:1 explains his stellar rating, but what's even more encouraging about Carr's performance was how well he played when under duress. Carr led the NFL with 11 completions, 426 passing yards and six touchdowns on deep passes against the blitz in 2020. He also posted the second-highest expected points added on deep passes at 60.2. Carr took a massive year-to-year leap when going deep, posting a CPOE improvement of +15.1 percentage points on downfield attempts, lifting himself out of the negative and well into positive territory. He did this all despite a relatively quiet debut season from deep threat Henry Ruggs III, who needs to improve at getting in and out of his breaks as he enters Year Two, per Mayock. Carr might wish he still had free-agent departure Nelson Agholor, though, as the wideout accounted for six deep passing touchdowns in 2020, the second-most in the NFL behind Tyreek Hill's eight. Regardless, Carr had a strong response for anyone questioning his ability to throw the deep ball in 2020.

https://www.nfl.com

crazy what some legit deep threats will do for a QBs ability to hit deep passes lmao

[raidr4life]

1 hour ago, BackinBlack said:

Let me guess, Its about Stats/ facts  that fit your opinion?

Nah it's decision making and that should be obvious. 

[BayRaider]

10 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

Nah it's decision making and that should be obvious. 

Yep there are 10 years of footage that includes his college tape that shows Carr’s tendencies. He doesn’t like going deep, and if his WR’s are all covered, he lives to fight another day, which is how you get a lot of those 38-6 stinkers, Carr literally just shuts down in those games. 
 

As for skillset, we’ve all gone over this a million times. Carr can’t throw in a tight window, and he can’t throw with anticipation (throwing a WR open in a variety of ways by anticipation timing). 
 

This makes Carr’s play extension ability some of the worst in the league. Not the most mobile QB, and when he does run, he fumbles. Can’t throw in a tight window or throw with anticipation on 3rd down. A lot of those 38-6 stinkers have a lot to do with Carr’s weak play extension ability. 

Edited May 25, 2021 by BayRaider

[drfrey13]

31 minutes ago, Turnobili said:

i do, but its not his arm. he's so feeble in the pocket. anybody gets a paw on his shoulder and he just collapses and drops the ball

I will give you that.  Carr's hand size has always been a concern but nobody has been able to figure how to get him to have better ball security.  He has to be close to the top for fumbles per sack.  16th in sacks and first in fumbles.