cannondale Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, TransientTexan said: Does no other team in the world exist for you except NE/Brady? Not every team can have a HoF defensive specialist coach. I see his name used a ton in an argument against Rodgers, so I think it's more than fair to use his name in an argument for Rodgers. It perfectly shows that a QB can't do it alone. Overwhelmingly so, at that. And circling back to my original post, could be the main reason why Rodgers is pissed. Unless you think Love can win with defenses giving up 30+ I'm not sure what your argument is. Rodgers is supposed to be perfectly happy regardless of how little help he has gotten on the defensive side of the ball ?? He knows the numbers too. No one is asking for miracles or Belichick. But zero Top 10 defenses in 10 years has to get old and is frankly, unacceptable, no matter who the QB is. To take it even one step further, we may soon find out how many more points the opposing team can score when not having to face MVP caliber QB play. 87% of SB winners had a Top 10 defense. Is that generic enough ? Edited May 21, 2021 by cannondale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, cannondale said: I see his name used a ton in an argument against Rodgers, so I think it's more than fair to use his name in an argument for Rodgers. It perfectly shows that a QB can't do it alone. Overwhelmingly so, at that. And circling back to my original post, could be the main reason why Rodgers is pissed. Unless you think Love can win with defenses giving up 30+ I'm not sure what your argument is. Rodgers is supposed to be perfectly happy regardless of how little help he has gotten on the defensive side of the ball ?? He knows the numbers too. No one is asking for miracles or Belichick. But zero Top 10 defenses in 10 years has to get old and is frankly, unacceptable, no matter who the QB is. To take it even one step further, we may soon find out how many more points the opposing team can score when not having to face MVP caliber QB play. But according to one genius here, "Green Bay has never been a defensive minded team so why would we want Green Bay to have a great defense!?!?!?". That was an actual argument someone on here tried to make. Edited May 21, 2021 by MaximusGluteus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 47 of the 54 Super Bowl winners ranked in the Top 10 in scoring defense. Of the 108 teams that have reached the Super Bowl, 89 of them ranked in the Top 10 in scoring defense. 16 of the Super Bowl champions led the NFL in scoring defense, another 18 finished in the Top 5 and 13 more finished in the Top 10. Yep. totally Rodgers fault Edited May 21, 2021 by cannondale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, MaximusGluteus said: But according to one genius here, "Green Bay has never been a defensive minded team so why would we want Green Bay to have a great defense!?!?!?". That was an actual argument someone on here tried to make. Agree it's a bad argument....When Favre was QB, GB went out and got defensive players Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Sean Jones, and Eugene Robinson.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, cannondale said: 47 of the 54 Super Bowl winners ranked in the Top 10 in scoring defense. Of the 108 teams that have reached the Super Bowl, 89 of them ranked in the Top 10 in scoring defense. 16 of the Super Bowl champions led the NFL in scoring defense, another 18 finished in the Top 5 and 13 more finished in the Top 10. Yep. totally Rodgers fault Since we're into analyzing trends, don't you think what @Outpost31 posted a number of times about the cap hit of QBs for SB winners has something to do with how good their defense was? Like, maybe him taking over 20% of the salary cap by himself in 2021 has an impact on the quality of the defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said: Since we're into analyzing trends, don't you think what @Outpost31 posted a number of times about the cap hit of QBs for SB winners has something to do with how good their defense was? Like, maybe him taking over 20% of the salary cap by himself in 2021 has an impact on the quality of the defense. Probably shouldn't spend draft picks on backups and role players if that's the case. That's probably how Rodgers viewed it Edited May 21, 2021 by cannondale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said: I wandered over to the walterfootball site today for the first time in a while. They have their 2022 draft up. Green Bay are picking 4th overall ! I guess someone thinks Rodgers is gone this year. I've followed that site for quite a while as I like to read other football sites. That being said, I wouldn't put to much faith/what happens in GB from them. It's fun to read but the site is WAY off on lots of their thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, cannondale said: I see his name used a ton in an argument against Rodgers, so I think it's more than fair to use his name in an argument for Rodgers. It perfectly shows that a QB can't do it alone. Overwhelmingly so, at that. And circling back to my original post, could be the main reason why Rodgers is pissed. Unless you think Love can win with defenses giving up 30+ I'm not sure what your argument is. Rodgers is supposed to be perfectly happy regardless of how little help he has gotten on the defensive side of the ball ?? He knows the numbers too. No one is asking for miracles or Belichick. But zero Top 10 defenses in 10 years has to get old and is frankly, unacceptable, no matter who the QB is. To take it even one step further, we may soon find out how many more points the opposing team can score when not having to face MVP caliber QB play. 87% of SB winners had a Top 10 defense. Is that generic enough ? Well that's a different take. One I happen to agree with. It's not for lack of trying. Most of our draft capital has been spent on defense. Most fans complain that we haven't gotten Rodgers enough weapons on Offense. Thought the Diva was pissed that we didn't get him enough weapons. All that being said the defense didn't fail in the NFC championship game. That game was won by Tampa's ferocious pass rush. If you want to lay blame it should fall on the O-line for not giving Rodgers enough time in the pocket. The Diva taking up such an enormous amount of cap has something to do with it too. Can't dip into FA with no money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, cannondale said: I see his name used a ton in an argument against Rodgers, so I think it's more than fair to use his name in an argument for Rodgers. It perfectly shows that a QB can't do it alone. Overwhelmingly so, at that. And circling back to my original post, could be the main reason why Rodgers is pissed. Unless you think Love can win with defenses giving up 30+ I'm not sure what your argument is. Rodgers is supposed to be perfectly happy regardless of how little help he has gotten on the defensive side of the ball ?? He knows the numbers too. No one is asking for miracles or Belichick. But zero Top 10 defenses in 10 years has to get old and is frankly, unacceptable, no matter who the QB is. To take it even one step further, we may soon find out how many more points the opposing team can score when not having to face MVP caliber QB play. 87% of SB winners had a Top 10 defense. Is that generic enough ? The 2019 Packers were 9th in points allowed and 15th in points scored. The 2020 Packers were 13th in points allowed. If he wants more defensive help, give some money back. Otherwise, he should quit bitching. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 55 minutes ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: Agree it's a bad argument....When Favre was QB, GB went out and got defensive players Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Sean Jones, and Eugene Robinson.... Favre was traded for before there was a salary cap. Reggie White was signed before there was a salary cap while Favre was still on his rookie deal. Favre never made near what Rodgers was making relative to the salary cap. https://overthecap.com/player/brett-favre/6357/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoSixFive Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 40 minutes ago, coachbuns said: I've followed that site for quite a while as I like to read other football sites. That being said, I wouldn't put to much faith/what happens in GB from them. It's fun to read but the site is WAY off on lots of their thoughts. Are there any football sites in particular (besides this one) that you enjoy visiting ? I ask this because I don't look at that many other sites, CHTV, Packers News, Bleacher Report, Acme Packing co. are among those I've bookmarked. Some sites (like the Green Bay Press Gazette) I cannot properly access, being from outside the USA. Some sites (like PFF), I visit occasionally but don't have an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: Agree it's a bad argument....When Favre was QB, GB went out and got defensive players Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Sean Jones, and Eugene Robinson.... There will probably never be a Reggie White again, but we did sign Charles Woodson (TT signing), Z Smith, P Smith, Adrian Amos (all Gute signings)... I mean, they’ve done this. You can say that most of the Thompson years post-SB they failed to field a good enough defense, but you can’t reasonably say that about Gute. Why hell, Aaron Rodgers the Personnel Guru said it himself on national TV after a primetime game and everyone heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vegas492 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 19 hours ago, SSG said: I don't buy the idea that Rodgers told any of those guys that he wouldn't be back. Pretty sure Aaron Jones was asked exactly that and denied it. I prefaced the 4 win comment with "worst case". That's assuming there is a complete melt down in the locker room and players stop caring. I don't see this team having the talent to get us 9 wins without a high end starting QB. This team is a lot worse off with a QB who throws 15-20 INTs and that's the sort of season I'd expect with gun slinger mentalities like Love and Bortles. Our pass catchers are adequate with 12, not so sure their adequate with a lesser talented QB. TBD IMO. How many wins did this team have in 2019 when the QB threw 26 TD's? Or, how about 2010 when the QB threw 28 TD's (along with 11 INT's)? I mean, I get the angst, but this isn't a difficult offense to run. Goff got to the Super Bowl with it. Goff. We have horses on the line and in the backfield. Our receivers have been here a while and they work. TE group is quite talented. Defensively, we have a lot of talent, if the DC can pull it together. I know Rodgers is amazing, no doubt he can take an offense an elevate it some. But his MVP season was as much a result of the offense around him as it was him on his own. This is the "glass half full" argument. Totally get the other side of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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