SWATcha Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Kingram said: He is a massive upgrade to Dalton and Winston lol Agree to disagree. He's an improvement, but "massive" is an overstatement. Zach Wilson to Aaron Rogers would be a massive upgrade. Either way, it won't matter if Carmichael can't figure out how to run an offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NYRaider said: You think Derek Carr was good in the clutch last season? He had a 39% comp with under 4 min left in games we were trailing, lol. Dude. Literally 2 just two hours ago: "Our offense played pretty well..." Enough with the flippy floppy arguments. You'll just keep contradicting your own statements to continually be "right". Have your cake and eat it too. Edited March 7, 2023 by ronjon1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Dude. Literally 2 just two hours ago: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Saints got Derek Carr on less than 8m cap hit this year. Saints are wizards with contract structure. Reduced his cap hit for the year while giving Carr more money than his previous contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Has any QB not named Tom Brady ever thrived in a Josh McDaniels offense? A offense known for being complex, hard to learn? Sometimes simple isn't stupid! Yes but it was Peyton Manning so your point is still very much valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 hours ago, tyler735 said: I must say it is kind of funny that this past season the Saints held a Derek Carr led offense to one of the worst offensive performances in NFL history and now a few months later are giving him a contract worth $150 million. Yeh, that was dreadful. However, it was reported the whole team was suffering some kind of bug that weekend so I’m inclined to give a little leeway on that whole performance. Everything just seemed off that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Don’t like this for the Saints at all. I think their roster is getting older & they have an awful HC topped with a questionable hiring in Joe Woods. I think they were in a great position to tank this upcoming season & nab Caleb/Maye while getting rid of Dennis Allen in the process. Carr is average at best. I think they’ll be in the same spot Atlanta has been in from 2017-current & that’s purgatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 15 hours ago, NVRamsFan said: How does this contract compare to what he had with LV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ClutchDJ said: Carr is average at best. Carr is average (probably slightly above average) and at best has finished top 3 in MVP voting. That occurred when he had a good OL, which is something the Saints can currently offer him. In his best seasons he is a fringe top 10 QB, and other seasons probably closer to top 15. Not saying I think the Saints are leaders in the NFC by any means, but surely they are leaders for the NFC South and are currently in an NFC that is about as weak as it has ever been. In the playoffs, it seems that anything can happen in the NFC right now without a true dominant looking team in the conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, tyler735 said: Carr is average (probably slightly above average) and at best has finished top 3 in MVP voting. That occurred when he had a good OL, which is something the Saints can currently offer him. In his best seasons he is a fringe top 10 QB, and other seasons probably closer to top 15. Not saying I think the Saints are leaders in the NFC by any means, but surely they are leaders for the NFC South and are currently in an NFC that is about as weak as it has ever been. In the playoffs, it seems that anything can happen in the NFC right now without a true dominant looking team in the conference. That was 7 years ago, man. I just think signing Carr just seems like a cosmetic bandaid if anything. You’re going to keep Dennis Allen instead of the post-2023 season being the perfect opportunity of letting him go & entering a rebuild. I think a division title is the ceiling, but obviously you don’t want that to be the ceiling. Talent-wise, I think the Saints are middle of the pack due to age & injuries. Just like your rival in Atlanta has been experiencing for the past 5 years, it seems like the Saints are about to enter the same cycle. I don’t like that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 hours ago, ClutchDJ said: Don’t like this for the Saints at all. I think their roster is getting older & they have an awful HC topped with a questionable hiring in Joe Woods. I think they were in a great position to tank this upcoming season & nab Caleb/Maye while getting rid of Dennis Allen in the process. Carr is average at best. I think they’ll be in the same spot Atlanta has been in from 2017-current & that’s purgatory. Feel the same way. That roster is getting old quick and the defense is likely to take a step back. Weird spot for Carr as well with a coach who is on the hot seat and kind of a dud. Feels like they are trying to do something in a 2 year window, but don't know what that something is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: Yes but it was Peyton Manning so your point is still very much valid. Josh McDaniels never coached Peyton Manning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I just read through the rest of the thread and remember someone writing, name a single retread QB who took a step forward on their second team. Like... we're talking about a QB taken in the early second round... one who played in the AFC West... then in FA went to the New Orleans Saints... hmm... not sure I can think of Drew Brees. Oh, Drew Brees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 13 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: Yes but it was Peyton Manning so your point is still very much valid. 1 hour ago, HerbertGOAT said: Josh McDaniels never coached Peyton Manning. Thanks! 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Why? Dude has shown nothing in oak besides that he chokes. He’s in the same category as Kirk Cousins. Will never win, has never won. Purgatory. Better off rolling a rookie QB. It’s not like New Orlenas is a qb away. If that was the case why not go all in for Rodgers? A lot of money for a mediocre QB who plays decent for 8 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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