beekay414 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I'm not complaining about an EDGE group of Smith, Gary, LVN, Enagbare and Hollins 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I get the impression any 2nd EDGE we get is going to be lighter, around 230-240, and more of a tweener who'll have a future as inside depth and ST Grunt... kinda like how Oren Burks was utilized until he was canned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopackgo972 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Norm said: This was so me lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Unless you're expecting Rashan Gary to miss a significant amount of time, you really only go 3 deep at the EDGE position. Figure 60% of the snaps for EDGE1 and EDGE2, and around 40% of the snaps for EDGE3. EDGE4 only gets significant run when there's an injury. When DT2 gets replaced by edge3 on 3rd down or 2nd and long then all 3 can go to 60% easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I'm not complaining about an EDGE group of Smith, Gary, LVN, Enagbare and Hollins Yeah .. it's got a chance to be pretty great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: When DT2 gets replaced by edge3 on 3rd down or 2nd and long then all 3 can go to 60% easily 100% of the time you can use them 60% of the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, gopackgo972 said: **** yes..norm gifs are the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayt Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 23 hours ago, gopackgo972 said: Someone make me feel good about this. He was productive at Iowa but never started? There are concerns about his strength. Concerns about his strength where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 9 hours ago, ayt said: Concerns about his strength where? Lol someone read his combine numbers and nothing else. I'm not an LVN guy but the last thing I'm concerned about is his strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 You can see the Rashan Gary comparisons. Gary picked 12th. Van Ness picked 13th. Both freakish athletes that use their strength and explosiveness to dominate. Both stuck in Big Ten schools refusing to play them at the pure edge position that would have maximized their draft stock. Both spent way too much time either head up or inside of tackles, hand fighting and two-gapping. Even looking at their outstanding combine numbers you can see the similarities. Gary (6'4 277)/Van Ness (6'5 272) 40 Time: 4.58/4.58 10 Split: 1.63/1.64 Broad: 10'0/9'10 20 Shuttle: 4.29/4.32 +++ The differences are there though. Gary is still a more explosive guy. Which isn't a shot at Van Ness. Gary is a top 1% of prospects ever when it comes to explosiveness. He's a monster. Van Ness is still highly explosive, he's just less so. You can see it both on film and in their verticals. Gary/Van Ness Vert: 38/31. There's something to be said for just having one unstoppable trait, and Gary has that with his explosiveness moreso than Van Ness does with any tool in his toolbox at the moment. +++ That isn't to say that Van Ness doesn't have his own advantages. He bends the edge better on the rare occasion he was asked to do so at Iowa. Given his fast first step and really good flexibility he pulls it off well. Gary is far from a natural speed rusher and generally can only pull it off in the NFL when he gets the tackle setting against the bull rush first. Van Ness doesn't quite reach the 7.0 mark you like to see when looking at the 3-cone drill for rush guys, but he's damn close to it and should have similar capabilities as Gary to using it as a counter. Even just being that bendy at 6'5 puts Van Ness into rather elite space. Gary/Van Ness 3-Cone: 7.28/7.02 +++ Van Ness grades a little bit higher from a hand usage and motor standpoint. Though I might argue that Gary was unfairly lambasted for his motor, as his snap rate was absurdly high whereas Van Ness was in a rotation, and Gary didn't necessarily need to have perfect hand usage as he was strong enough to simply man handle most guys in the run game. Van Ness also comes in much leaner which helps his case and the optics. Gary is the better athlete coming into the NFL, but he's always kept a bit of padding on his frame, which isn't a bad thing necessarily, Van Ness may be asked to put some on as well as he plays longer in the league. +++ From a fit perspective, this is a duo you can go to war with in the long term. Some coaches may want a more pure-speed guy to compliment Gary's power, but there's also something to be said for just being big and strong all the way across the front line if you're going to play your safeties back, like the Packers do. A foursome of Gary-Clark-Wyatt-Van Ness (with Preston Smith as another Edge guy, likely starting early on) gives the Packers a defensive line that should be able to collapse pockets with exceptional regularity. If Wyatt and Van Ness can't be productive with that talent around them, there's a coaching issue happening in GB. The 3T spot remains the question, hopefully Wyatt can ascend and take that over. If he does, the sky is the absolute limit for this defense. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Clicked on Van Ness' agent's profile and the 2nd picture on his Instagram is him posing with Matt LaFleur, Jordan Love and AJ Dillon. Believe he's their representative from Athlete's First. Made an obvious fit even more likely from the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Packerraymond said: Clicked on Van Ness' agent's profile and the 2nd picture on his Instagram is him posing with Matt LaFleur, Jordan Love and AJ Dillon. Believe he's their representative from Athlete's First. Made an obvious fit even more likely from the start. I find it hard to believe a player's agent affects who drafts them. Edited April 30, 2023 by Mr. Fussnputz spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. Fussnputz said: I find it hard to believe a paler's agent affects who drafts them. You should not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtcheezwiz Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. Fussnputz said: I find it hard to believe a player's agent affects who drafts them. Will be nice when it’s time to negotiate that third contract though 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 On 4/27/2023 at 8:53 PM, gopackgo972 said: Someone make me feel good about this. He was productive at Iowa but never started? There are concerns about his strength. Iowa starts players with seniority no matter what. He got starter snaps though. So thats not a concern. He's long and powerful. He needs technique development and doesn't show a ton of wiggle on tape, but his agility scores show he should have plenty. He also has outside-inside positional flexibility which is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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