Matts4313 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Riftty said: Goff and the 2022 first For Watson. Make it happy Snead. It would take more than that, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: It would take more than that, right? Yeah more than likely. Thats just the starting offer. At this point just make it happen imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, ET80 said: @Forge - I need you to watch over Gen for a while. I need to take a beat from actual Football talk. I feel bad and I am wishing for you the strongest of returns and something to renew a glimmer of hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Still have no idea why he wants out of Houston to go play on the Jets.... Makes absolute sense to me. They have a capable GM in place. Have a quality coaching hire with a high potential OC coaching an offense that has led to great success in the league. Jets also have one of the best cap situations in the league, they have tons of draft capital as well. Add in Watson’s no trade clause and the Jets having the #2 pick where they would be perfectly situated to draft a very “philosophically aligned” QB option (Zach Wilson out of BYU) and perhaps a Watson trade clause flex could keep his chosen team from having to give up too many immediate assets to bring him in. Perhaps force the Texans to deal Watson for just the two 1sts this season and maybe one more next season. Which is a lot of assets, but still would leave them with 4 picks within the top 100 in addition to the FA space they have. Lastly their run defense was top 10 in the league last season, without CJ Mosley, so it’s not like they’re a barebones squad. At WR they’ve got Mims, Crowder, and enough money to go all in on a WR like Allen Robinson/Chris Godwin. What better way for Watson to get an MVP than to go to a team that seems as bad off as the Jets, that was held back by coaching and flip them into a contender. Edited January 28, 2021 by diamondbull424 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said: Makes absolute sense to me. They have a capable GM in place. Have a quality coaching hire with a high potential OC coaching an offense that has led to great success in the league. Jets also have one of the best cap situations in the league, they have tons of draft capital as well. Add in Watson’s no trade clause and the Jets having the #2 pick where they would be perfectly situated to draft a very “philosophically aligned” QB option (Zach Wilson out of BYU) and perhaps a Watson trade clause flex could keep his chosen team from having to give up too many immediate assets to bring him in. Perhaps force the Texans to deal Watson for just the two 1sts this season and maybe one more next season. Which is a lot of assets, but still would leave them with 4 picks within the top 100 in addition to the FA space they have. Lastly their run defense was top 10 in the league last season, without CJ Mosley, so it’s not like they’re a barebones squad. At WR they’ve got Mims, Crowder, and enough money to go all in on a WR like Allen Robinson/Chris Godwin. What better way for Watson to get an MVP than to go to a team that seems as bad off as the Jets, that was held back by coaching and flip them into a contender. The Jets future was built off the idea that they had a treasure trove of assets and could either repair Darnold or draft a new QB. To get Watson they basically have to unload everything that was going to help them rebuild and it would be Watson on the worst team in the league with minimal ability to rebuild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, lancerman said: The Jets future was built off the idea that they had a treasure trove of assets and could either repair Darnold or draft a new QB. To get Watson they basically have to unload everything that was going to help them rebuild and it would be Watson on the worst team in the league with minimal ability to rebuild. Exactly. Not to mention that division isn't the best to land in. The Bills are a top 4 team. Miami would have been in the play offs any other year...and then you have BB out there lurking. No way in hell are the Jets a good pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflbillsfan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, diamondbull424 said: Makes absolute sense to me. They have a capable GM in place. Have a quality coaching hire with a high potential OC coaching an offense that has led to great success in the league. Jets also have one of the best cap situations in the league, they have tons of draft capital as well. Add in Watson’s no trade clause and the Jets having the #2 pick where they would be perfectly situated to draft a very “philosophically aligned” QB option (Zach Wilson out of BYU) and perhaps a Watson trade clause flex could keep his chosen team from having to give up too many immediate assets to bring him in. Perhaps force the Texans to deal Watson for just the two 1sts this season and maybe one more next season. Which is a lot of assets, but still would leave them with 4 picks within the top 100 in addition to the FA space they have. Lastly their run defense was top 10 in the league last season, without CJ Mosley, so it’s not like they’re a barebones squad. At WR they’ve got Mims, Crowder, and enough money to go all in on a WR like Allen Robinson/Chris Godwin. What better way for Watson to get an MVP than to go to a team that seems as bad off as the Jets, that was held back by coaching and flip them into a contender. The issue with your argument is that they still have an owner that is incapable of making the right decisions as much as Cal McNair is doing. Truth is they had 100 mil in cap space twice with Mac, and twice with tannenbum, yet they lacked the idea of building up the team around the franchise qb. They move up to get darnold, who were his weapons and olineman at the time? When did they actually focus on getting him the required players to elevate his game? How many HC, OC, and GMs have they had in the last 10 years? This team is consistent on being inconsistent. It is a disorganized franchise that looks like it is on its way to be in a good position but blowing the picks on Watson as it will take a haul to do will prove they are the typical Jets. Yes fans may think this is the best move possible but the team is in a complete rebuild and they have only a couple of key assets on the team. To go in and waste them all on watson then the idea of being a capable team that is on its way up is now short on draft picks and short on cap space. Watson has guys like Cooks, Fuller, Stills, Coutee etc going to mims and crowder is an absolute downgrade. Not to mention outside of becton how is the oline going to fair? Mosley coming back is great but the DBs were picked apart last year and their best Safety is hitting FA. So overall this team is better of rebuilding the appropriate way through the draft rather then giving up multiple 1st rd draft picks. Not to mention the Texans have to be willing to trade him, the texans can play hardball and let him sit out they have his rights for 5 years and possibly longer with the franchise tag. This isn't a player who isn't in a position to have leverage, let him pull a barry sanders and retire, Texans can hold his rights for as long as the contract and he will be out of the league. There is no reason as to why the texans should cave and give in to his demands. People can say well it looks bad on a dysfunctional franchise and they wont get players. I will say they are WRONG, money talks and if a team like the texans pay a player more then any other team looking for that players services they will be going to the Texans, not to mention their draft picks. We all just assume that this is a done deal but I do not see one reason as to why the texans should cave to his demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archimedes Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, ET80 said: @Forge - I need you to watch over Gen for a while. I need to take a beat from actual Football talk. Man, I’m still holding out hope this all works out for you. Finding a franchise QBs is so difficult, no fan base should have to go through the pain of losing one in such silly fashion. I wouldn’t even wish this on Raiders or Broncos fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 57 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: It would take more than that, right? Good point. Goff for Watson and a 2022 1st. Make it happen, BOB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMcC2018 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 These young elite type players have a LOT more power than people might imagine, especially with the power of social media, cancel culture, boycotting etc. This type of thing will become much more commonplace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: It would take more than that, right? A lot more. I'm not sure Goff has positive trade value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Riftty said: Goff and the 2022 first For Watson. Make it happy Snead. 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: It would take more than that, right? A team trading for Goff would have to take on 28.5M for 2021, 25.5M for 2022, and 25M for 2023. If he was Goff 2018, sure, ppl would consider it. Goff 2019-20? Teams would want something back for taking on the contract alone (and yes, I get there are a lot of reasons that go beyond Goff himself, but it highlights that he's not a difference-maker on his own - you create a system to leverage what he can do - but that's not a guy rebuilders look for). Honestly, LAR IMO isn't even in the room when negotiations start (and before ppl ask, neither is DEN lol....there are a lot of teams in that boat). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Broncofan said: A team trading for Goff would have to take on 28.5M for 2021, 25.5M for 2022, and 25M for 2023. If he was Goff 2018, sure, ppl would consider it. Goff 2019-20? Teams would want something back for taking on the contract alone (and yes, I get there are a lot of reasons that go beyond Goff himself, but it highlights that he's not a difference-maker on his own - you create a system to leverage what he can do - but that's not a guy rebuilders look for). Honestly, LAR IMO isn't even in the room when negotiations start (and before ppl ask, neither is DEN lol....there are a lot of teams in that boat). No one can outbid the Jets or Dolphins if either want to make a godfather offer. Edited January 28, 2021 by MKnight82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: A lot more. I'm not sure Goff has positive trade value. And for a rebuilder..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, MKnight82 said: No one can outbid the Jets or Dolphins if either want to make a godfather move. And because they're division rivals, the chance BOTH stay out of a bidding contest, seems awfully low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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