MCU TA - Elite 8 - Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel (3) vs Doctor Stephen Strange (6)

[Deadpulse]

VS

 

Come one come all to the tournament arc to end all tournament arcs - MCU characters. For those of you who partook in the Best TV Show of All Time contest, this will run very similarly. 

Please keep in mind this is NOT a popularity contest. This is a who is the strongest/would win in a fight contest. Please do not consider powerset/abilities from the comics, strictly keep to what has be shown in the MCU. 

 Closes Thursday 2/24/22 @5pm

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[Ty21]

Going doctor strange cause captain marvel has a flat ***

[Deadpulse]

This is Carol easy. Strange could barely hold his own against Thanos in IF but Captain Marvel nearly easy moded him in Endgame. 

[Kiltman]

2 hours ago, Deadpulse said:

This is Carol easy. Strange could barely hold his own against Thanos in IF but Captain Marvel nearly easy moded him in Endgame. 

I'm on the complete opposite side.

A lot of Strange's powers were countered do to Thanos having the Stones he had.

Namely Reality and Soul, took a lot of Strange's go to big moves off the board. With two other stones to spare that helped..

Like Carol is strong and fast as hell, but there's stuff she has no counter to.

Did a quick rewatch the CM v Thanos fight. Super quick back and forth
Even matchup with no gauntlet involved, she gets some punches in then he flings her. When she activates her power she easily took the headbutt from Thanos (something Thor just got knocked out by), he takes the power stone out and blasts her at near full power in one shot.

If you flip to the Strange vs Thanos fight, there is a 1to1 comp where he shoots the power stone at him and Strange blocks it using the mirror dimension. 
Which is something Carol can't shatter out of like Thanos did without having the reality stone. Also all of strange's spells as technically able to be x30-50 with the multiplied move he does.
If I remember how they talk about the mirror dimension Strange would have an additional power multiplier/advantage there too.

If that was the case two close matches were Carol being able to almost beat Regular Thanos and 4 stone Thanos besting Dr Strange after a longer fight.
DS lasted longer vs 4 stone Thanos than Carol did in her fight, as soon as a stone was used she was KOed.

 

Doctor Strange to the Final Four

[Deadpulse]

59 minutes ago, Kiltman said:

I'm on the complete opposite side.

A lot of Strange's powers were countered do to Thanos having the Stones he had.

Namely Reality and Soul, took a lot of Strange's go to big moves off the board. With two other stones to spare that helped..

Like Carol is strong and fast as hell, but there's stuff she has no counter to.

Did a quick rewatch the CM v Thanos fight. Super quick back and forth
Even matchup with no gauntlet involved, she gets some punches in then he flings her. When she activates her power she easily took the headbutt from Thanos (something Thor just got knocked out by), he takes the power stone out and blasts her at near full power in one shot.

If you flip to the Strange vs Thanos fight, there is a 1to1 comp where he shoots the power stone at him and Strange blocks it using the mirror dimension. 
Which is something Carol can't shatter out of like Thanos did without having the reality stone. Also all of strange's spells as technically able to be x30-50 with the multiplied move he does.
If I remember how they talk about the mirror dimension Strange would have an additional power multiplier/advantage there too.

If that was the case two close matches were Carol being able to almost beat Regular Thanos and 4 stone Thanos besting Dr Strange after a longer fight.
DS lasted longer vs 4 stone Thanos than Carol did in her fight, as soon as a stone was used she was KOed.

 

Doctor Strange to the Final Four

I am going to destroy this very good very long post in a single sentence. 

 

Doctor Strange looked into the future and knew exactly the role to play in order to get the outcome needed for Endgame rendering the events of that fight moot. 

[thrILL!]

36 minutes ago, Deadpulse said:

I am going to destroy this very good very long post in a single sentence. 

 

Doctor Strange looked into the future and knew exactly the role to play in order to get the outcome needed for Endgame rendering the events of that fight moot. 

Strange could also look into the future to see the myriad of ways to beat Captain Marvel.  Carol can’t blast or punch her way out of this one. 

[Deadpulse]

Just now, thrILL! said:

Strange could also look into the future to see the myriad of ways to beat Captain Marvel.  Carol can’t blast or punch her way out of this one. 

or a myriad of ways that he cant

[Kiltman]

3 hours ago, Deadpulse said:

I am going to destroy this very good very long post in a single sentence. 

 

Doctor Strange looked into the future and knew exactly the role to play in order to get the outcome needed for Endgame rendering the events of that fight moot. 

It's a display of his power though.

That was something he only had to do though because Thanos had the stones he had. Strange couldn't go backwards and change time to that extent without giant ripples/tearing of reality. There is a decent chance him doing what he did in those movies will be a big reason why reality is breaking in MoM even, on top of his other acts disregarding how delicate it all is. Had he gone back in time to stop Thanos it would've been worse, destroying all of this reality right there.

As to your point. Essentially Strange needed Tony alive, the only way to guarantee that was to have the Titan battle play out like that.
Tony being the last one up...about to be killed and Strange trading the Stone for his life, it took Tony out of the coin toss.
Was the only way to guarantee that he survived the snap, without Tony inventing his version of time travel they couldn't win.

But yeah as far as my post it was purely about power level, how we see all of their powersets implemented.
If you take Thanos with the Power Stone and have him go against Carol and against Strange, Strange showed he could take that...Carol did not.
Her powerset doesn't exceed the powers of the stone, isn't based in magic..... she's one of Marvel's strongest fighters, but she loses here IMO.

I don't think we have this version as Time Stone strange, but obviously if we do it's a piece of cake.

Also if you watch either battle, a lot of Strange's time is spent getting people in position with support magic.
He also has things he can do that he won't typically do to the safety of those around him and the universe, he gets to use way more of his powerset in this til the death fight.

[SMashMouthMike]

On 2/22/2022 at 11:17 PM, Kiltman said:

I'm on the complete opposite side.

A lot of Strange's powers were countered do to Thanos having the Stones he had.

Namely Reality and Soul, took a lot of Strange's go to big moves off the board. With two other stones to spare that helped..

Like Carol is strong and fast as hell, but there's stuff she has no counter to.

Did a quick rewatch the CM v Thanos fight. Super quick back and forth
Even matchup with no gauntlet involved, she gets some punches in then he flings her. When she activates her power she easily took the headbutt from Thanos (something Thor just got knocked out by), he takes the power stone out and blasts her at near full power in one shot.

If you flip to the Strange vs Thanos fight, there is a 1to1 comp where he shoots the power stone at him and Strange blocks it using the mirror dimension. 
Which is something Carol can't shatter out of like Thanos did without having the reality stone. Also all of strange's spells as technically able to be x30-50 with the multiplied move he does.
If I remember how they talk about the mirror dimension Strange would have an additional power multiplier/advantage there too.

If that was the case two close matches were Carol being able to almost beat Regular Thanos and 4 stone Thanos besting Dr Strange after a longer fight.
DS lasted longer vs 4 stone Thanos than Carol did in her fight, as soon as a stone was used she was KOed.

 

Doctor Strange to the Final Four

Valiant effort, but this is Captain Marvel. She’s so amped up in Endgame it’s ridiculous. She nearly bested (with power) a fully stoned-up, gloved Thanos single handedly. No one else does this except Tony(right after her by the way) and he uses a slight of hand more than power. Thor I guess came the closest with his special ranged hammer/axe in IW. CM doesn’t even need a special weapon lol. (Edit-Wanda overpowers a non gloved Thanos in endgame without any weapons. My bad.)
 

Strange doesn’t even fight Thanos directly in Endgame;  they needed HER.  She’s the One who saves Starks a** in Endgame, so they would’ve lost without her. The snap killing Tony wouldn’t have mattered if not for HER, and the Earth would’ve been obliterated and the universe would’ve ended up in a worse condition than in IW if not for HER in the endgame rematch. It’s ridiculous, but she gets an arm free while stopping Thanos from snapping. This is CM…unfortunately. It literally looks like she’s about to rip Thanos’ pinky finger and thumb off his gloved hand when she’s got both her mitts on him, lol. No thumb, no snap.  LMFAO. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by SMashMouthMike

[Kiltman]

24 minutes ago, SMashMouthMike said:

Valiant effort, but this is Captain Marvel. She’s so amped up in Endgame it’s ridiculous. She nearly bested (with power) a fully stoned-up, gloved Thanos single handedly. No one else does this except Tony(right after her by the way) and he uses a slight of hand more than power. Thor I guess came the closest with his special ranged hammer/axe in IW. CM doesn’t even need a special weapon lol. 
 

Strange doesn’t even fight Thanos directly in Endgame;  they needed her. She’s the One who saves Starks a** in Endgame, so they would’ve lost without her. Earth would’ve been obliterated in the endgame rematch. It’s ridiculous, but she gets an arm free while stopping Thanos from snapping. This is CM…unfortunately. It literally looks like she’s about to rip Thanos’ pinky finger and thumb off his gloved hand when she’s got both her mitts on him, lol. No thumb, no snap.  LMFAO. 

If you watch the fight Thanos never gets to close his hand...which is needed to activate the stones in the movie.
A clenched fist, a snap, something is needed to activate it in every scene.

He's essentially depowered without that ability, just having his hulk+ level strength and his tactical ability.
As I said... when he takes out the power stone so he can use it, it's only then does she take any effects from an infinity stone in the fight and it puts her to sleep in one shot.

Contrast that to Strange who goes toe to toe with him longer than she did while Thanos mostly has full use of a 4 stone gauntlet and it backs up what I'm saying.

There's a reason why they waited for her arrival just like they took Strange off the board by having him make sure all the heroes didn't drown.
They are two of the strongest characters and especially heroes we have so far, they couldn't have depowered Thanos going against either of them for long. 

End of the day it's a Carol v Strange fight, and it's one Carol loses. She can't counter magic, she's not stronger than the power stone. She can go supernova but it doesn't matter when she gets put in the mirror dimension, gets tossed to the dark dimension, or whatever else Strange wants to do.

He's a terrible matchup for her, wish she could've had her vs Ego and so she could supernova through his brain and into the semifinals...but the bracket is the bracket and this spot in the Final Four is Doctor Strange's.

[SMashMouthMike]

It’s a worse matchup for dr strange. Thanos only gets to touch CM in Endgame because he has a ranged weapon, his twirling 2sided sword/spear.  
 

Casting spells takes time, and CM is so fast and powerful that she mutes Strange’s abilties. He would be toasted.  He’s just not fast enough, not powerful enough in close. She’s needed more in endgame. She’s the only one that stops Thanos from snapping single handedly. She’s the only one that stopped the Rain Fire tactic. She was the only one that could’ve saved Stark from suffocating. She was the only one that was fast and strong enough to get the glove to the time machine. She’s the only one that could take Thanos’ headbutt. She would tear through strange far easier than she tore through Thanos’s ship, like a bullet or a damn missle. Butter meet knife, lol. For as strong as he is, he’s just not durable enough. Her offense is nigh unstoppable, while his defense… we’ll, isn’t. Far from it. Butter, meet knife. 

As for her durability, it appears ridiculous, infinite. She never breaks a sweat, lol. I don’t think he could’ve even kill her, so how does he win this? Her physical being is invulnerable to dr stange’s attacks. 

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by SMashMouthMike

[Kiltman]

36 minutes ago, SMashMouthMike said:

It’s a worse matchup for dr strange. Thanos only gets to touch CM in Endgame because he has a ranged weapon, his twirling 2sided sword/spear.  
 

Casting spells takes time, and CM is so fast and powerful that she mutes Strange’s abilties. He would be toasted.  He’s just not fast enough, not powerful enough in close. She’s needed more in endgame. She’s the only one that stops Thanos from snapping single handedly. She’s the only one that stopped the Rain Fire tactic. She was the only one that could’ve saved Stark from suffocating. She was the only one that was fast and strong enough to get the glove to the time machine. She’s the only one that could take Thanos’ headbutt. She would tear through strange far easier than she tore through Thanos’s ship, like a bullet or a damn missle. Butter meet knife, lol. For as strong as he is, he’s just not durable enough. Her offense is nigh unstoppable, while his defense… we’ll, isn’t. Far from it. Butter, meet knife. 
 

 

He doesn't even fight her with it.
She shows up, gets the gauntlet from Peter, the ladies have their A-force moment and then she speeds off towards Scott's fan, where Thanos then throws the sword into. Also how would a double sided sword be more of argument for Carol even if he did have it? It's a fancy boomerang sword. Strange took on Thanos with the Reality, Power, Space and Soul stone on his hands.

So if Thanos can beat her to a fixed point with a throw, and we already saw how fast Strange can do certain spells like the mirror dimension I don't see how she's going to be able to quickly do this KO move.

She's not even the only person who could stop his gauntlet from closing for a time, she was just doing it the best compared to others.
But Strange's own cape did it for a couple seconds.

I'm not arguing she isn't powerful. Just not powerful in the right way here.
Take an angry hornet, put it in a jar...it can't sting you and you can take your time lining up a finishing move to protect yourself from taking a hit.

 

 

(I will say we really need to clarify who has what stones too, because an addendum to this whole argument would be if he has the time stone he unlocks even more ways that are way easier. Also has ramifications for the next rounds.)

[SMashMouthMike]

If he had kryptonite…lol. If she was then weakened by this said kryptonite, then maybe he would have a lex Luther chance. But he doesn’t. She’s a bullet. He’s just flesh. Good luck “jarring” a fired bullet. There’s almost no time for him to blink, let alone cast spells! He has no twirly sword and even if he did, he couldn’t conger one up and swing it powerfully or fast enough. She literally brings a gloved Thanos to his knees, then frees one arm! Against all 6 stones! It’s ridiculous, yet it happened. She needs no cape. She herself is more effective. But, Kudos for keeping this thread going, for its really becoming hilarious and absurd. SHE (and Tony) became the omega to Thanos’ alpha. Stark and Strange, that equaled capitulation. 
 

This continual argument just proves our latent misogyny, lol. j/k.

Marvel overpowered her,… but marvel overpowered her. Thems the rules of this game. I’d like her to lose, I hope she does eventually in this tournament. but, I just can’t see it in this one. It’s knife vs magic butter, or worse, magic butter vs a fired bullet, that is on fire-she’s a comet! One that can fire more comet blasts, lol.  She wouldn’t even need a direct hit to melt his a**or combust him burnt. He’s too stationary, too vulnerable… and most decisively too slow. If she gets her hands on him, it’s over. If she fires through him, it’s over. If she sets him on fire, he probably dies horribly or is really f***ed up. If she uses her energy projectiles, she becomes a missile that shoots more missiles, basically undenfendable against unless one is invulnerable to her projectiles.  When did Strange display this invulnerability, against a moving target, let alone a comet shooting a bunch of little energy comets??? lol. She can live in space and travel 3 times the speed of sound. Good grief, she’s like Superman, without a krypotonite weakness lol.  Read the quote that Kevin feige had about her.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by SMashMouthMike

[seminoles1]

4 hours ago, SMashMouthMike said:

Valiant effort, but this is Captain Marvel. She’s so amped up in Endgame it’s ridiculous. She nearly bested (with power) a fully stoned-up, gloved Thanos single handedly. 

He wasn't using the stones though. Not until he took the power stone out and hit her with it.

[SMashMouthMike]

On 2/23/2022 at 10:35 AM, seminoles1 said:

He wasn't using the stones though. Not until he took the power stone out and hit her with it.

He wasn’t? He had possession of them. He was wearing the glove. Was he “using” the 4 stones when when strange had his cape around his gloved hand? Did Carrol require help to subdue his 6 stoned gloved hand with two of hers like Strange and his cape did? Moreover, Did strange even use his hands or require an outside source of power, his cape? Did she not buckle him to one knee then free her off hand to go on offense? Does strange even hurt thanos? Strange got him to flinch! Woah! Did Thanos not free himself from her power only when he “used” the power stone in his free hand? Did she not survive that? What would Strange’s face look like had he hit him in the face with the power stone? Strange is just inherently less powerful than Carrol. She can inflict and take much more damage. And, no one has proven he can hurt her physically, let alone kill her. There’s no evidence to suggest strange could survive just one of her punches. He gets stabbed in dr strange by a dude who wasn’t as strong as carrol. What’s she gonna do to him with energy blasts, while flying around at supersonic speeds, lol?

Edited February 25, 2022 by SMashMouthMike